Wednesday, February 13, 2019

502 - The Modus Operandi And Foibles Of Serial Haunters

[9:45 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
On Mind Hunter they finally labeled the people they are after as “serial killers”
[9:54 AM] 
"How about Chronic Homicidal Maniac?"
"Naaaah...sounds like a punk band playing at CBGB's"
(Detective walks in, munching bowl of Boo Berry) "This cereal is killer.  What are we talking about guys?"
[9:54 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
They had been saying “sequence killer”
Then the one guy said its more like a continuing story
[9:55 AM] 
I might have picked "pattern", myself, considering they tend to have strict MOs
[9:56 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
Yes
Sequence was not right
[9:57 AM] 
Serial isn't that suggestive either.
I mean it is...but
That just says they do it over and over....hardly an MO thing. 
A mafia killer might kill dozens of targets in his career...yet is not a serial killer.
A commando might kill a bunch of opponents over the course of a campaign...yet is not a serial killer.
[10:03 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
Bundy was a weird one
He almost got off in trial, and might've - while representing himself - if he hadn't tried to escape.
He was good at hiding evidence. Never left fingerprints... Committed crimes in areas that were hard to find so evidence would deteriorate... Was smart as far as prolonging trials and moving venues to make the case drag on... What few witnesses there were might move away or die or forget.
He even exploited his vague appearance
People would had trouble describing him to investigators - sketch artists couldn't come up with anything close to him. Nothing discernably distinct.
He just looked like a guy
[10:07 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
They always say representing yourself is bad, but if you're very intelligent you could do it
[10:08 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
Most of these guys are smart. You have to be pretty smart to keep getting away with murders
[10:09 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
Yeah, normally the impulse and passion killers get caught right away. Pros and serial killers are systematic.
[10:11 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
Other than at a mass incident like Vegas or that night club, murderers rarely get away with even one.
But continuously abducting locals and killing them...the average person would get caught after 1 or 2
Someone would see you, you'd leave evidence behind, if there was a plan it was crap, etc.
[10:12 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
It is even harder nowadays
Police can find and analyze so much more evidence now
A lot of these serial guys get caught because they was doing too well and not getting recognition. And they want it, so get involved with the police to get attention.
[10:13 AM] 
I already revealed my one secret “if ever” trick to people who would fink on me so I can repeat it.
Collect a week's worth of hair clippings from salons and barber shops and even pet groomers and shake it all over the crime site.
[10:14 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
Heh
[10:15 AM] 
"What did we get back on DNA and micro evidence?"
"Well...there were approximately 75 killers involved: men, women, children and pets..."
[10:15 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
LOL
[10:15 AM]  Mr. McGreen: 
Some of these guys know they are smart and just wanna see if they can outsmart the police.  Life is so boring to them.
[10:15 AM] 
Yes
[10:15 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
Pretty much
Ed Kemper finally confessed out of boredom
He was waiting for the cops to catch him but they never did
[10:16 AM]  Mr. McGreen: 
I'd screw up just by looking over my shoulder non-stop
Probably leave murder furniture just inside the door of my house
[10:16 AM] 
"Police have captured the Over-the-Shoulder Killer."
(chief) "Officers observed the perpetrator looking over his shoulder non-stop as witnesses described, and followed."
The "Perfect Murder" guys were just wanting to prove they were smarter than everyone else, I believe. Didn't care who the target was. (barely recall that case)
[10:16 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
Those kids from like the 30s?
[10:22 AM] 
"Two brilliant, wealthy, Chicago teenagers attempted to commit the perfect crime just for the thrill of it but were – ultimately – just pretentious teenagers."
[10:23 AM]  Mr. McGreen: 
The not so perfect crime



[9:07 AM]  Mr. McGreen: 
Mr. Brown, I just saw that this book has “1408” in it. That's really cool.  I love that movie
[9:08 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
Yep
Better story than the movie too
I actually bought that book to read it before I watched the movie
[9:09 AM] 
Such a clever title "(wink, whisper) it adds up to 13! ;)"
(whisper back) "In Numerology it adds up to 4 ;)"
Heard it was pretty good though
[9:10 AM]  Mr. McGreen: 
The movie is one of my favorite horror movies - keeps making me imagine myself in that situation.
Though...I would handle it with more pants wetting I'm sure
[9:11 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
If i got in that situation I would have to just sit there
Stuff flying around the room. Act like nothing is happening
You know, to make the demons get bored
Just keep sitting there, talking out loud to yourself: “Hmm i think i want a pizza”
[9:12 AM] 
"Honey!  Get the camera!"
(Holds up iPhone, waves in selfie mode)  "HI-iii!  This is TOTES happening in my hotel room!"
[9:13 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
Its the new way things are discovered
(Facebook) “So i was taking a selfie and wow there was this thing in the background! What you think?”
[9:14 AM] 
"Effects at this hotel are AWEsome!  4 stars n' sh-"
[9:14 AM]  Mr. McGreen: 
The iPhone X has a P.K.E. Meter option
[9:15 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
lol
[9:15 AM] 
"Me again!  You'll never guess...that's my bed UNDER me!  I'm levitating!"
[9:15 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
Post a video all shaky and blurry...whole room is shaking
[9:15 AM] 
I'd like to see this movie, actually.
An update to "The Canterville Ghost". Centuries of the ghost terrifying people to death and he comes up against that.
Love that story
"OMG, this is so funny I'm gonna pee! Allison is possessed and telling us she's going to boil our guts in hellfire and eat them while we're still alive!  Hi-LARE-eous!  (turns phone) Look!"
[9:17 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
Sounds like a SyFy movie



[12:15 PM] 
So...assuming I'm not on glorified guard duty or some BS like that tonight...I'm considering using dementia test questions for the paranormal investigation.
I rarely hear any of the ghost hunt show folk ask things like "Do you know where you are?" or "What year is it?"
Makes sense to me though
[12:18 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
Asking who the current president is
[12:18 PM] 
Yup
[12:19 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
That's a whole other kind of horror show!!!
Come on folks!
[12:19 PM] 
Simply - "What is this thing called?"
[12:19 PM]  Mr. Brown: 
Well, after these answers Mr. Ghost, I believe you have suffered a concussion. Have you been going through walls a lot lately?”
lol
[12:20 PM] 
Well, with this approach you could get both intelligent response...but also gauge mental awareness.
If the spook still thinks its 1876... It's not the same situation as the one who knows what a computer is.
Someone “in 1876” may not even know they are dead.
Knowledge of modern times?  That spirit certainly does know they are dead.
[12:21 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
Then there's the dumbass ghosts
[12:22 PM]  Mr. McGreen: 
lol
"dumbass ghosts"
No Mr. Blue! Bad! You don't talk to ghosts like that!
[12:21 PM]  Mr. Brown: 
I like when they have them turn on flashlights
Somebody is walking through the house with some sort of fire in their hand
[12:22 PM] 
Heh. Always like that too.
"Come up to this device...it can't hurt you.  If you touch it the light will come on."
Maybe.
Or maybe it burns a ghost like the surface of the Sun.
How the heck would a living person know what hurts a ghost?
[12:23 PM]  Mr. McGreen: 
I wanna be slimed.  Until then I don't know that i could be convinced of the presence of ghosts
gimme that ectoplasm
[12:23 PM]  Mr. Brown: 
Excited electrons start flowing through them
OUCH OUCH OUCH
[12:24 PM] 
(researcher) "Squeeze this Carolina Reaper...it can't hurt."
(Guy with hands does it)  "Hey!  It doesn't!" 
(Guy with no arms leans in to squeeze it with his mouth)
[12:25 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
Ghosts should be antagonized - it's the only way to get a response from anyone or thing. They deserve our contempt for hanging around.
[12:26 PM] 
Nah
Back to my earlier point: a bit of anthropological training would go a long way.
An investigator needs to hang out and try to make contact for a couple weeks til the spirits trust you.
[12:26 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
They are stupid and dead
Unlike me - very smart and very much alive
I'm too smart to die
[12:27 PM] 
Maybe they were too.
"Oh! I'm floating away from my body!  The tunnel!  The bright light!  What's this door in the side?  Ah HA! I bet I don't die if I use the door."
(5 mins later) "Aw fuck..."
[12:27 PM]  Mr. Brown: 
I love when they are doing stuff and realize it may be a demon
Um yeah how do you know its a little girl
lol
I yelled at this this toddler ghost to play with the doll and now i have claw marks on my arm and feel like I'm dying.”
[12:29 PM]  Mr. McGreen: 
If i saw a ghost i wouldn't tell anyone. I'd assume i'm going crazy
They'd say prove it and i couldn't
[12:29 PM]  Mr. Brown: 
Its not as crazy feeling as you would think
[12:31 PM] 
I don't feel crazy telling my stuff.  I tell stories anyway.  Do you have any trouble telling people what you dreamed?
At worst you "thought I saw a ghost, it was really interesting"
[12:32 PM]  Mr. McGreen: 
Its just like saying “I'm a Christian”.
Anymore its such a small audience of people to not assume I'm an idiot that i just don't really say it
[12:32 PM] 
"Every time I say it, I think I must be going crazy."
Oh...you mean the other way...
[12:32 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
I'm a Christian
culturally
[12:32 PM] 
;-p
[12:32 PM]  Mr. Brown: 
How do we know the people seeing things are really seeing things that are there but we can't see them?
[12:33 PM] 
@ Brown - I've sometimes wondered if some of these ghosts are just psychics looking forward from the past or back at us from the future
They see us...we see them...
"I saw that ghost holding out the little box asking me my name and if I need help again. I'm so tired of it coming around I told it to get out."
[12:34 PM]  Mr. Brown: 
What if you ended up ghost-hunting yourself?
Heheh
[12:34 PM] 
Brilliant! I LOVE it!

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