Wednesday, May 2, 2018

470 - A Small Fortune, Many Millennia Of (Non)Migration, Yes Things Tingle But It's Not That Kind Movie, and Madness Major Modesty Minor

[1:31 PM] 
(Break room. Commercial. Focus on a mostly full quart pickle jar. Smalling man in 60s appears and puts some coins in) "It's something I've been doing every day since I was a boy...emptying my pocket change into this old jar!"
(me out loud) "That's all you put in since you were a boy? DAAAAAMN you're poor!"
[1:34 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
Heh
[1:35 PM] 
Smalling?  SMILING
[1:36 PM]  Mr. McGreen: 
I thought you meant he was an old guy who has obviously shrunk in his later years.
[1:36 PM] 
Hehe



[9:43 AM]
In the Jews' defense, the Old Testament pretty well establishes they weren't very good at following divine directions back then - https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/07/genetic-evidence-suggests-the-canaanites-werent-destroyed-after-all/
On the other hand, you'd think God would have said "a lot of" instead of “all” in his account.
7/28/2017 - DEAR DIARY. STILL WAITING ON THAT CANAANITE GENOCIDE THING. GETTING IMPATIENT. MORTAL SCIENTISTS ARE SAYING THEY JUST RE-BRANDED. I MIGHT HAVE TO JUST WIPE EARTH CLEAN AGAIN FOR MY BOOK TO BE ACCURATE.
GRANTED, WHAT I GOT COULD BE COUNTED AS A NOMINAL WIN.
[9:56 AM] Mr. Blue:
"The Hebrews banged the Canaanites and turned them into Lebanese"
[9:56 AM]
Two ended giggle on that one. Bravo!
[9:57 AM] Mr. Blue:
Clearly, the Canaanites did not die out, though they came to be known by other names. They continued living in the exact same places they did 4,000 years ago during the Bronze Age.”
[9:57 AM]
That being the key translation from the more controversial conclusion: "It didn't happen".
[9:58 AM] Mr. Blue:
It's amazing, considering how much immigration, either forced or otherwise, has happened, how many people have just stayed where they are
I think this was discussed about Utzi the Iceman. They tested the DNA of some people from a nearby village and found 9 people that were related to him. So they've been in the same vicinity for like 5000 years.
[9:58 AM]
Yeah, I remember you spotting that about Utzi. 
(Utzi's relatives) "The family decided to wait in the area in case he came home or someone found him, you know?  Anyway, thanks for letting us know what happened."
I don't doubt there were wars and Canaanites were killed, but...as a fellow who studied a couple angles of Biblical archaeology and etc...there's quite a lot of "victors write the history" going on in the ancient Levant
(Graham Chapman as Jewish general, speaking to Egyptian reporter holding out an ankh) "And when I SAY there are no Canaanites left alive, I MEAN there's a certain amount. We now have them relatively under control and a lot of them didn't know they were actually Canaanites and had other names."
(Reporter) "Sort of like the Jews having 12 tribes but 11 of them didn't know they were Jews until the Levite recruitment campaign for the invasion? And then you lost 10 tribes but they didn't seem to have gone anywhere?"
(General) "Spot on! Yes! Like that."
[10:08 AM]
(...sorry...own theories to explain some historical/societal problems are sneaking in there...)
[10:10 AM] Mr. Blue:
Canaanites wrote their own history on papyrus”.
The poor bastards
Their side was probably "We repelled the heebs and then looted their villages. We took some women as spoils, hence the 10% admixture."
[10:13 AM]
Possibly. Yes, the Canaanite account was probably all about their wins.
Lost to time and papyrus fragility.
[10:14 AM] Mr. Blue:
Maybe the Hebrews simply repelled the Canaanites out of their...realm...or whatever. And, as far as they could see or tell, they were eliminated.
[10:14 AM]
Doesn't sound like the Jews even managed that.
If it's the usual 'One True' pattern, the people that got killed to the last man, woman, child and livestock were just the ones who said: “We won't covert”.
Like I said - this is the diplomatically-written story of a team of scientists that don't want to have a lot of screaming 'faithful' harassing them.
But I read it, in toto, as "It never happened".
Not only were the Canaanites not wiped out, but they also didn't move away en masse, and are still living there now.
Were there wars? Conquests? Possibly even massacres? Sure...why not.
Was some group called the Canaanites? Probably.
Are they gone, in name? Yes.
There's no Piedmont-Sardinians anymore either.
[10:20 AM] Mr. Blue:
Why, because the nation itself doesn’t exist?
[10:20 AM]
Yup
[10:21 AM] Mr. Blue:
Yeah
[10:21 AM]
They are Italians now.
How many kingdoms did "Germany" have until 18-whatever?
[10:21 AM] Mr. Blue:
A few hundred
That's probably not even as detailed as it could be.
[10:28 AM] 
Probably not. 
And the Old World is basically like that through whatever can be traced.  
Just gets muddier as the records fall apart.
(Text book) "Germanic tribes (that just grew like alfalfa somewhere) invaded from 'The East'.  They didn't know they were Germans, but they were."
[10:34 AM]  Mr. McGreen: 
Is that where The Kurgan hails from?
[10:35 AM]  
No. Slavic lineage for them.
[10:35 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
The Huns?
[10:35 AM] 
Highlander” was funny that way, but it's consistent.
The Immortals knew each others' names but always referred to each other by ethnicity
Highlander
Kurgan
Castilian
[10:36 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
Nobody knows who the hell the Huns were or where they went.
Hungarians like to pretend they descend from the Huns, but there's like a 1000 year gap between the end of the Hunnic empire and the beginning of anything Hungarian/Magyar in that region.
For that matter, nobody knows how the hell the Hungarians got there either.
[10:35 AM]
Well...they would have invaded. From 'The East'. Where tribes just grow like alfalfa somewhere.
[10:37 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
They speak a Uralic language and nobody else around them does... The next closest Uralic language is up in the Baltics; Estonia
I've read there's some genetic mix of eastern steppe nomads (like the folks that the Mongols pushed out, like the Cumans) settling into the Danubian region of Hungary...and some place names that are Cuman in origin.
But the Cumans were Asian in language and appearance... Hungarians look like us, mostly.
[10:38 AM]  Mr. McGreen: 
Were the Kurgans a real thing?
[10:40 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
Before the Germans in Germany there were Celts, and I've always thought that - especially in southern Germany - they were mostly (or at least partly) assimilated Celts.  Southern Germans even look different from northern Germans - shorter, stockier, not as blonde. Like me
[10:40 AM] 
Yes, the Kurgans were real.
[10:41 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
So like Copernicus... He spoke German... He lived in a town that spoke German... Torun was, at times, part of Germany and at other times part of Poland and/or Prussia. Everyone considers him Polish. So what was he? Does it matter?
[10:45 AM] 
Not really



[2:36 PM]  Mr. McGreen: 
So I bought an alien movie 4-pack for The Thing and They Live, but it also has Virus, with Jamie Lee Curtis.
Do you remember that?
[2:37 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
No
[2:37 PM]  Mr. McGreen: 
Its not a bad movie - definitely just slipped by.
[2:39 PM] 
Was the virus a thing about the size of The Tingler?
[2:39 PM]  Mr. McGreen: 
What's a tingler?
[2:41 PM] 
Old Vincent Price movie famous for the promoter putting electric buzzer/shockers in the theater seats.
And putting a bloody red scene in a B&W movie with a mute woman, so you got garish mixed with a person who couldn't scream.
Screaming is how you fight off The Tingler - a parasite that lives in human spines and feeds on fear - before it kills you, you see.  So if you get that creeping tingling sensation, don't hold back.  Save yourself by screaming in the theater before it's too late.
Anyway, it was rather effectively unsettling scene.
[2:42 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
Heh. I never saw that one.
I like the idea of using color in the middle of a B&W film.
Imagine how much trouble it'd be to hook up some contraption to every seat in a movie theater.
I've been wanting to re-watch this movie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matinee_(1993_film)
Which seems based on the guy that did the promoting for The Tingler
[2:46 PM] 
Yes, I enjoyed that movie...saw it a couple times.
[2:47 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
I think it was on TV and I only saw like the last half of it, but I liked it.



[3:29 PM] 
"D as in David,  A as in Apple, F as in Frank...8."
"8?"
"Yes."
"The number 8?"
"No the Hindu Kush ideogram 8."
(Oops. Blended up a location and two cultures. Ah well...my Anthy professors can be irritated if they ever find out)
[3:34 PM]  Mr. McGreen: 
Where did you get your education?
[3:35 PM] 
I learned my Anthropology major, Archaeology minor on the STREETS, man...
[3:35 PM]  Mr. McGreen: 
...
[3:35 PM] 
(Penn State. Went insane...unfinished...never will unless I win the lottery.)
[3:36 PM]  Mr. McGreen: 
And you never stopped being insane.
[3:36 PM] 
The rest of my - apparently enormous - catalog of information and references, associations and strange composition skills I learned on my own.
Honestly, I went to classes and probably figured out the anthropology on my own for the most part too.
[3:37 PM]  Mr. McGreen: 
Enormous catalog, eh?  You missing the section on modesty?
LOL
[3:37 PM] 
I've got “miserable”...that count?
I do well at trivia games. 
If I'd not had problems learning math I'd probably be in physics or engineering studying energy.
Or a doctor...or both. I dunno.
Wasted my IQ.
I ended doing this.