[8:59
AM] Mr. Brown:
Year
of the Pig
yay
lol
[8:59
AM]
Which
pig?
(looks)
Earth
I
thought I was a cock for years (ba DUM chisssshh)
I'm
a green monkey, actually. Silver jr. is a gold monkey
(wood,
metal)
Chinese
elements are not earth air fire and water... wood, earth, water, fire
and metal
[9:51
AM] Mr. Brown:
I'm
not sure which pig i am
Where
were you looking?
[9:51
AM]
What
year and month were you born?
[9:52
AM] Mr. Brown:
July
1983
[9:57
AM]
Water
Pig
[9:57
AM] Mr. Brown:
Cool
So
not my year
lol
just
got the pig part
It
is surprising how the write-ups for somebody that is Pig matches them
[10:02
AM] Mr. Blue:
There's
no way that every person born in a 365 day span has the same
personality traits
[10:03
AM] Mr. Brown:
The
Pig fortune in 2019 suggests them to reduce the times going to
crowded and bustling places like bars and KTV rooms, as they are very
likely to get involved in physical conflicts there after getting
drunk.
lol
[10:04
AM] Mr. Blue:
They
just make the traits positive and vague so that everyone agrees that
they share them
"strong,
sophisticated, intelligent"
Is
anyone going to be like "that's not me.. I'm a weak little
dipshit"
[10:38
AM]
Horoscopes
are a very weird thing.
Despite
the newspaper/Chinese menu "everyone is this" thing, a
"real" one is extraordinarily difficult and astrophysics
and mathematics owes an awful lot to astrologers
Much
as chemistry owes a lot to the interminable BS of alchemy
Its
not just month and day
It's
year, time of birth and location
Arrayed
against the motions of several celestial bodies, their location,
conjunctions, and where they are moving.
In
short, it's bonkers hard to calculate a horoscope and everyone's is different.
They now have computer
programs are made to track and chart all this stuff, and even after
it's all done the astrologist making the chart still has to figure out the results.
[10:44
AM] Mr. Brown:
Yeah
finding all that would take a long time
[10:45
AM] Mr. Blue:
But
why would celestial bodies affect a human being depending on the
moment they popped out of the womb?
Wouldn't
they be constantly affecting you before and after birth?
[10:45
AM] Mr. Brown:
The
moon does
[10:45
AM]
@Blue
- Yeah, and people get horoscopes done for stuff like that
[10:46
AM] Mr. Blue:
So
we'd all have the same horoscope then
[10:47
AM]
Only
if born at the same location at the same date and same time...so...no.
Medicine
went through a long period of horoscope based theory. Not sure
much good came out of the horoscopes but it did lead to detailed
observations.
These are my conclusions
about Astrology from my POV
1.
Don't believe horoscopes, but do believe in them as a practitioner technique like
any other "folk" psychology - however faith in them can be
rather harmful.
Example
- putting off needed medical attention because you are a Virgo and
blah blah blah
2.
There is a difficult set of correlations to follow based on things
like when and where you were born...influence of seasonal weather...influence
of seasonal foods...influence of seasonal sounds and social activity...the psychology of significant dates. Add in tides. I'm not
gonna try to figure it out, but I'll bet some raw conclusions of
thousands of years of Astrology matched from observation of the effects of nature and culture.
3.
The disciplines required to do a casting contributed enormously to
modern science, so should be celebrated for such.
(The
end)
And example relating to #2 - What did it do to my sister to have her birthday 3 days
after Christmas? The BIG SHOW of the year of a kid...and then
"oh, it's your birthday too"
[10:58
AM] Mr. Brown:
Culturally
its messed up on the Christmas and birthday deal
You
end up with less presents
lol
[10:59
AM]
Or
later, at the right age, your consciousness awakens when everyone is
in the house most of the day because it Winter. Or it happens when everyone is out in
the sun because it's Summer. What does that do to your formative psychology? Is
a December baby in Australia like a June baby here?
[10:59
AM] Mr. Blue:
I
think then there'd be so many more important factors than where
Saturn was. Its meaningless
[11:00
AM]
Yes.
Saturn is meaningless
As
is Jupiter, Mercury, Venus and Mars
Sun
and Moon? They seem to do things
What
is the psychological effect of growing up in a culture that puts
importance on the cycles of the seasons and where the sun rises and
sets? Sure has a lot of influence still. What about
constellations associated?
The
stars themselves do nothing - the impressions and the legends can.
[11:05
AM] Mr. Blue:
You're
suggesting a more pragmatic astrology
[11:05
AM]
I
could agree with that, Mr. Blue
Try
this - You throw the horoscope on your kid and it says that they are
going to be some sort of athlete.
And
you believe it...and expect it...and encourage it...and get the kid
involved...
Are you not more likely to produce an athlete?
[11:07
AM] Mr. Blue:
Your
horoscope wouldn't change though,since planets, tides, whatever don't
matter
“Oh
you were born 3 days after Christmas in the US? You're going to
be like this.” It won't change
[11:07
AM]
Your
start point doesn't change -
The
people who do this for a living take the start point and then update
it to current.
I
think all that work is nonsense
It's
the psychology and environment that I believe in more
You
can test that, observe it
[11:09
AM] Mr. Blue:
This
sounds more like basic psychology
[11:10
AM]
It's
a mix
[11:10
AM] Mr. Blue:
You
were born X, your mother treated you like X, your dad treated you
like X, you had X traumatic experience, your siblings did X, here's
what you're like now
[11:10
AM]
Add
some physiology and sure
I've
known enough people who buy into their horoscope so much that
they make it a part of their personality.
"What
can you DO when you have a chart like this Mr. Silver?"
"Start
by ignoring the chart."
"But
it's my CHART."
"If
you didn't know what was in it, it would have no influence on you in
any way. But because it says X...and you believe X...you choose
to be X."
Heh
I
should go into business
"What
horoscope do you want for your kid? OK, I'll write that up.
Oh, sure it's real. Tell him every day."
It's
lunch time...after I'll bitch about the one that REALLY annoys me.
(Back)
The
one - ironic choice of words – that really annoys me is Numerology
"Oh,
well you're 50...so you're going into a 5 year, so that means-"
"Nothing"
"Well
now wait... So a 5 year, and it's 2019. So that's a 1 if
you just do the 19, but a 2 if you do the whole year. So
altogether that's a 7, so that means-"
"NOTHING!"
"Now
wait. Your name is Silver. So if you do the letters in
your name, you add up to-"
"Which
alphabet? Which language? Which of the ancient, modern,
or new guru Numerology systems are you referring to?"
"But..."
"As
for the year...which calendar? Is my age based on my Western
birthday or the Chinese conception date?"
"But..."
"IT
IS UTTER BS!!!"
Bloody
Numerology
Based
on nonsense and extrapolated through the ages into more nonsense
"The
Number of the Beast is 666!"
"Well
according to your system, that would be 9. Also Biblical
scholars can't actually figure out if the right translation is 666 or
616. Also each of the unholy trinity is a 6, so it's more like 6 and
6 and 6"
"Well
Jesus is an 8"
"God's
son couldn't manage to score #1?"
[1:34
PM] Mr. Brown:
“Maybe
it's... 999?”
[1:38
PM] Mr. Blue:
Some
numerologist or astrologist would have fun with my obsession with 4s
and numbers divisible by 4.
And
numbers divisible by 4 in a number that is itself divisible by 4
itself
"Oh...
you're nuts"
[2:39
PM]
Always
found your 4-fixation interesting, Mr. Blue.
You
never actually get results, correct? Just "this is
divisible by 4"?
And
it always is?
[2:44
PM] Mr. Brown:
Is
4 the meaning of life?
4
is God!
[3:45
PM] Mr. Blue:
Yeah
I don't know what the result is, I just know if its divisible by 4
It
started in my early teens
Probably
a coping thing for teen stress
[3:58
PM]
[3:59
PM] Mr. Blue:
Heh
[4:02
PM]
Two
years from now when I'm looking through stuff, I'm just gonna laugh
and laugh at that one.
Sorry...four
years
