Day 3 - Free will, Teleportation and The Artsy of War

(Note - Mr. Blue and I would often quip on - and occasionally discuss - religious topics over the years, but since the introduction of Mr. Brown its come up quite a bit more recently.  Please stand by if those subjects bug you, as I assume the topic'll wear out.  Or...if you like it...keep reading, as I'm sure they'll continue.  - Mr. Silver) 

Mr. Brown

morning

i need a special way to fix my stigmatism

without glasses

8:10 AM Mr. Blue

stigmata-ism?

8:10 AM Mr. Brown

I’m tired of wearing them

8:10 AM Mr. Silver

“stigmata-tism”

Definition: "bloody holes in the eyes"

8:11 AM Mr. Brown

lol

need to reshape my eyes

lol

8:11 AM Mr. Silver

Cubes are cool

8:22 AM Mr. Brown

I was watching a show this morning on the insides of the earth

they showed that crystal cave. (Mr. Silver – http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/giant-crystal-cave-3569/Overview#tab-Overview)

8:23 AM Mr. Silver

cool

8:25 AM Mr. Brown

i still wonder if we ever got the right tools.

could we make it to the center of the earth?

What would happen when we hit it?

8:26 AM Mr. Red

long boring trip

not much to see

8:26 AM Mr. Silver

Like some otherworldly super-metal tube that can't melt?

8:27 AM Mr. Brown

yeah it would have to be

There will either be a big geyser of lava

or “oops we killed the earth”

8:27 AM Mr. Silver

I envision a glorious release of pressure...like a great space pimple...emptying into space as we all perish

8:28 AM Mr. Red

deflates like a balloon

8:28 AM Mr. Brown

I’m sure there are still people that think there is a race of creatures down there

8:29 AM Mr. Red

betcha they’re hot

8:29 AM Mr. Silver

And more that think the Devil and his crew and their second grade teachers are all down there.

8:39 AM Mr. Blue

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1377370/Teleporting-breakthrough-scientists-transport-light-particles.html

8:44 AM Mr. Silver

Long long way til matter transfer...

8:45 AM Mr. Blue

I’m not real keen on destroying myself at point A and recreating myself as a copy in point B

8:45 AM Mr. Silver

No?

8:46 AM Mr. Blue

I’d rather walk

8:51 AM Mr. Silver

I just fear the theological conundrum...if the soul is attached to the body, and my original is destroyed and my soul separated from it, I'd appear on the other end as an amoral, insane, monster.  

And I don't WANT to be Jeff Goldblum.

9:09 AM Mr. Brown

This teleportation just seems like something I really would never want to try

9:10 AM Mr. Silver

And what's with those horseless carriages?  I hear they can break the 50mph barrier...it's just not safe for a human body.

9:14 AM Mr. Red

lol9:36 AM Mr. Red

I want to make the teleportation rules!

9:38 AM Mr. Blue

"no shirt, no shoes, no service"

"please wipe down the tube when you're finished."

9:38 AM Mr. Brown

only one at a time

"please wait for the light to turn green before entering the chamber"

9:43 AM Mr. Red

'lets see how many people we can cram into a chamber at one time'

9:44 AM Mr. Blue

"We are not responsible for you ending up like the baboon in The Fly."

9:52 AM Mr. Blue

a good first-date movie

9:55 AM Mr. Silver

"Have dinner first and wait 2 hours"

10:57 AM Mr. Blue

samurai philosophy is called ronri

as in "me so ronri"

11:06 AM Mr. Silver

Bushido?

There's Rice a Ronri

The Nagasaki Treat

11:07 AM Mr. Brown

Chi warriors

11:08 AM Mr. Silver

Recognizable by the short green plants growing all over them.

11:09 AM Mr. Blue

"Conquering the ancient world with catchy jingles."

11:13 AM Mr. Silver

"To grow decorative army, recruit men, cover with special seed mixture and keep watered.  It's that simple!  In a few days they will develop attractive Chi which lasts and lasts.  "Makes a great gift!" - Sun Tzu  "

The hundreds of them buried with the first emperor of China just need reseeded, really...not supposed to look like that.

11:15 AM Mr. Blue

i guess chia pets are just tiny terracotta warriors anyway

11:15 AM Mr. Red

- from "The Artsy of war"

11:15 AM Mr. Blue

heheh

11:19 AM Mr. Brown

maybe add mercury and they work too

11:21 AM Mr. Blue

"Just add mercury"?

11:21 AM Mr. Brown

you could grow carnivorous plants on them too

so they are extra deadly

and mostly self sustaining

11:21 AM Mr. Silver

Extra dead, perhaps

"Do not eat" indeed

"Spread on special mercury-seed mixture, step away and call local HAZMAT."

11:25 AM Mr. Silver

"May cause madness."

11:36 AM Mr. Silver

"Fun for the whole family...as verified by un-poisoned observers."

12:54 PM Mr. Blue

here's one we were talking about the other day that i would have liked you to chime in on Mr. Silver.

the subject of intelligence in the bible

for, against, or neutral? Is the tree of knowledge basically the tree of intelligence, and adam and eve 'got smart' and then god tossed 'em out?

is ignorance bliss?

12:59 PM Mr. Silver

Well...the effect of the violation was not sentience...they already had that...Adam was naming stuff and asking for things since way before

It was knowledge of what was good and what was evil

1:00 PM Mr. Blue

it gave them awareness

1:00 PM Mr. Silver

And the ability to consciously choose.

So...it was extending free will

They grew up, I think

1:03 PM Mr. Brown

That subject again

lol

we did need Mr. Silver on this one

i see the loss of innocence in the fact that they dressed themselves right after eating the apple

or pomegranate or what ever fruit it was

1:06 PM Mr. Silver

Which brings up the interesting "oopsie" by the editors of Genesis

1:09 PM Mr. Silver

one of a few

God kicked out Adam and Eve, not for eating the fruit of knowledge of good and evil. 

He was afraid they'd trot right over the next time they weren't being watched (implying, throughout, lack of total omniscience) to the Tree of Life and become immortal

"Like US"

"Us" being the key word

1:13 PM Mr. Brown

oh yeah

i forgot about that

they got aware so he knew they would try the tree of life out

1:14 PM Mr. Silver

Well "Us" among many other old testament entries pretty much confirms there was more than one God

Including the 1st commandment

1:14 PM Mr. Silver

That particular "Us" was a leftover piece of a line where God was talking to...His wife.

1:13 PM Mr. Blue

he shouldn't have put that tree in there

or the serpent that told them about it

1:13 PM Mr. Blue

so silly

1:16 PM Mr. Blue

why'd he put the trees there?

1:17 PM Mr. Silver

Pretty?

1:17 PM Mr. Blue

i mean, any animal could have eaten those fruits too

1:17 PM Mr. Brown

its one of his creations

1:17 PM Mr. Blue

literally or figuratively?

1:17 PM Mr. Brown

we make stupid stuff all the time

why did we make it?

cuz we can

1:17 PM Mr. Silver

Point to Mr. Brown

1:18 PM Mr. Brown

like making a virus and saying “Keep it in this vial for study but don't let it out”

“oops we let it out”

1:19 PM Mr. Blue

so god is a clumsy lab assistant

1:20 PM Mr. Brown

well in a way free will was probably something new that god created when he made us

had to take his time getting used to it.

1:21 PM Mr. Silver

He clicked "OK" on Activate Free Will Toolbar by mistake when we were installed.

2:07 PM Mr. Blue

i am not threatened by other species

2:09 PM Mr. Silver

Perhaps hungry polar bears?  They threaten me

2:09 PM Mr. Blue

well, that would be a threat to my life

not a threat to my ego

Day 2 - Star Wars, Game of Thrones, God, and Diagrammed Musicians

Regarding the disastrous progress of our Star Wars RPG characters

Mr. Yellow

We think that if anyone’s clones do not attack their Jedi it would be yours Mr. Silver, since you trained them

10:10 AM Mr. Silver
That'd be nice, not getting blasted by my own squadron

10:13 AM Mr. Green

Yeah, was thinking you prolly have the best chance of not having your clones turn on you, since you actually trained yours

10:14 AM Mr. Silver
Good boys...all of 'em

10:14 AM Mr. Yellow

LOL

crack shots?

great pilots?

capable of killing their trainer?

10:15 AM Mr. Silver
If they aren't capable they'll catch hell from me

10:17 AM Mr. Yellow

Excellent!

So…got a bounty hunter alternate character worked out yet? LOL

10:19 AM Mr. Silver
heh
Well, it'd be nice if we put everything on practice mode all friendly-like, had a dogfight and they could tell Palpatine that they shot me down...but...

10:21 AM Mr. Yellow

If you were all on my ship without the clones, then we would have to basically try to evade them and hyperspace away

But I do not see all three of you just hanging out on my ship

10:22 AM Mr. Silver
Not without paying you rent, no

10:22 AM Mr. Yellow

lol

10:30 AM Mr. Yellow

Should be interesting and I may not even be close to any of you at the time. Just depends on how Mr. Gray wants to set it up.

You could all be split up in different directions and if you survive you contact me to help get you into hiding or something

Who knows?

10:48 AM Mr. Green

Yeah.  If I survive, and find out all the Jedi were ambushed. I would probably look for someplace out of Republic space to go and regroup

11:07 AM Mr. Silver
And your diplomat wants us to tell him where, just in case someone asks him where to find us to deliver a telegram, yes?

11:13 AM Mr. Yellow

LOL

11:16 AM Mr. Silver
"Yes Lord Vader?  Jelly-of-the-Month Club?  That's a nice gesture, sure I have an address for them.  Just a sec."

11:27 AM Mr. Yellow

I am sure Kai (our crime boss character) can find some places off the radar where you can keep a low profile

12:17 PM Mr. Silver
Jedi Master Jinto Rez...fastest pizza delivery driver in the quadrant

12:54 PM Mr. Yellow

LOL

"Let’s see I have a large with everything here for a (checks receipt)… Emperor Palpatine?   Oh merde!"

Game of Thrones

12:54 PM Mr. Yellow

Mr. Gray was correct; Game of Thrones is definitely good.

one character died already that i did not expect. I like that

12:58 PM Mr. Silver
Funny... The only other review I got on Game of Thrones was from a website where people take the book cover and summarize the contents by shopping in a new title. (http://betterbooktitles.com/)
Took me aback after all the glowing reviews...it was titled:
"Like Shakespeare but Without the Good Writing"

1:41 PM Mr. Yellow

I need to stop reading the plot of the novel online

I am going to ruin the show for myself LOL

2:17 PM Mr. Silver
Mrs. Silver is a spoiler goober
"I can't wait"
"Yes you can ... ... ... you already looked didn't you?"
"Wanna know what happens?"
"NO!"

God is a know-it-all?
8:07 AM Mr. Brown

we missed you yesterday Mr. Silver

8:07 AM Mr. Silver

Oh yes?

8:08 AM Mr. Brown

we had big discussions but it was only two sided

so it was kinda boring

8:08 AM Mr. Silver

(considers most of his conversations have been 2-sided)

Shame.  Like what?

8:09 AM Mr. Brown

it was mainly religion again

but we were looking that the whole all-knowing aspect of God

8:09 AM Mr. Silver

ah

God's a know-it-all

8:10 AM Mr. Brown

i just found a tick crawling up my shirt

8:10 AM Mr. Silver

God knew that 1st

8:10 AM Mr. Brown

looked like a brown dog tick

before it was engorged

8:11 AM Mr. Silver

God could tell you.  Ask Him how many "hairs" are on it's carapace...go on...try Him.

But anyway

I'm more of the "God could look it up if it was necessary but it isn't" school 

8:13 AM Mr. Brown

yeah like He knows all the possibilities but still does not know what you are going to choose

cuz he chooses not to know

8:13 AM Mr. Silver

No

Like if He wanted to, He could sort out the possibilities, but there's no reason to

8:15 AM Mr. Brown

His way of letting us choose our own path but still trying to push us in the right direction when we need it ?

8:17 AM Mr. Blue

so God is lazy

8:19 AM Mr. Silver
heh
God would rather watch, I think
Much as you sit to watch a movie
God might sit to watch Mr. Brown, but there's no particular need to "look up" Mr. Brown's info on his divine Wiki
("6 Billion people and nothing on...sigh")

8:20 AM Mr. Blue

I wouldn't sit to watch a movie if i had the choice of just instantly downloading the entire thing

8:25 AM Mr. Silver
Well, the example requires that a movie is a movie.  You watch it or collect it and keep the copy
Which is a good way of describing what i mean.  God might have a copy of "Mr. Brown" on his rack but He doesn’t have to watch it unless he feels like it. 
8:28 AM Mr. Silver
Not a complete example, of course, because I don't see the universe and "God" actually working that way, but it expresses the idea

8:29 AM Mr. Blue

what if Mr. Brown's life is a big turd and he's miserable 99% of the time?

8:32 AM Mr. Blue

then it would be in God's best interest to sim it, rather than force someone to experience it

8:35 AM Mr. Silver
Would you go to a theater to have someone on the screen tell you what a movie was about? 
8:37 AM Mr. Silver
"You came to see Aliens!  Well, I've seen it, and I'm here to read you the script and tell you what it was like!  So sit back, enjoy your popcorn and we'll be done in a couple hours!"

8:38 AM Mr. Blue

well the alternative isn't someone telling you about it

or God

8:38 AM Mr. Silver
Right.  Stays on the shelf

8:38 AM Mr. Blue

it's God letting the movie play out in full or just DLing the entire thing into his consciousness, Matrix style.

8:38 AM Mr. Silver
He can watch when he wants

8:39 AM Mr. Silver
remember...it's an analogy, not a perfect description

8:39 AM Mr. Blue

it's like keanu reeves taking kung fu lessons for 25 years or just DLing it into his brain/body

8:39 AM Mr. Silver
Your arguments are leaving the analogy
in the analogy, God is just a guy with billions of years and billions of movies to watch
8:41 AM Mr. Silver
He must queue up the film and watch it if he wants to see it...no magic powers

8:41 AM Mr. Blue

so he's watching 6.5 billion movies simultaneously?

8:41 AM Mr. Silver
No
He's watching what He wants to at the time

8:42 AM Mr. Blue

so if he could, he'd know the results, but chooses to let them play out IRL instead

8:43 AM Mr. Silver
I'm countering Universal Pan-Temporal Omniscience with the idea that God would know the past, observe the present, have a pretty good idea of the future, and only focus on what was interesting at the moment.

8:44 AM Mr. Blue

even if it meant forcing billions to suffer.. is what I’m saying

I’m saying god is letting people suffer cuz he's too lazy to just sim the whole thing

8:44 AM Mr. Silver
It is a SIM

8:44 AM Mr. Blue

but people REALLY suffer

8:44 AM Mr. Silver
We've discussed that

8:45 AM Mr. Blue

if i cut your hand off it actually hurts you

8:45 AM Mr. Silver
Doesn't hurt my “player”
Might wreck his game though
8:48 AM Mr. Blue

i'm thinking that most lives past and present are pretty crappy. we might not see that. we live in a rich country at a stable time with lots of cushy technological advances... but most of the world lives in poverty/war/sickness/depression

8:47 AM Mr. Brown

there are a lot of times that something really bad is happening to somebody but they come out of it not hurt

how do you explain those ones

somebody was working that one

8:48 AM Mr. Blue

like what, Mr. Brown?

8:49 AM Mr. Brown

like you can have a building blow up around you and end up coming out with no problems

8:49 AM Mr. Blue

who did that happen to?

8:58 AM Mr. Silver

Saw a picture once from WWII.  Person in a bombed out building, still in bed.  Report said they slept through the whole collapse

9:00 AM Mr. Brown

so then you ask “is that just lucky?”

9:00 AM Mr. Blue

yes

what else would it be besides chance?

9:02 AM Mr. Silver
Cheating...

9:03 AM Mr. Blue

i mean, there's lots of cases of airplane crashes with only 1  survivor

is that god?

9:04 AM Mr. Brown

i would say yes

not done with the game yet for that person

9:05 AM Mr. Blue

it's just chance

usually the single survivors of plane crashes are crew or children

flight attendants not finished with the game?

9:08 AM Mr. Brown

to you their game might seem stupid

but that is just part of your game

lol

9:20 AM Mr. Blue

(Pasted tale of four survivors of a Japanese plane crash)

not god, chance

9:24 AM Mr. Silver

Well, not God, no.  Not as I see it

9:28 AM Mr. Silver

Though I come from a quirky POV.

Not sure how many other animists either of you know

9:12 AM Mr. Silver

Farewell to Shadowlands

9:34 AM Mr. Silver

"Farewell to Shadowlands" is chapter from CS Lewis's "The Last Battle"...a book to legitimately make me cry when I first read it as a kid and feel bad several times after.

Just after the final destruction and end of Narnia

9:50 AM Mr. Silver

Where Aslan explained why. after leaving Narnia, it looked like they were still in Narnia but a better version

9:53 AM Mr. Silver

It was because Narnia was merely a shadow of where they currently were...the world that had ended was not “real”.

10:15 AM Mr. Silver

But

Then He followed up by saying "This one isn't real either."

"Real one's over there...follow me."

10:20 AM Mr. Silver

The wink, of course, being that the book was just a shadow too

10:22 AM Mr. Blue

i see

10:32 AM Mr. Silver

While that notion didn't really contribute to my current universe a lot, it does mesh nicely

10:42 AM Mr. Brown

nice customer name

Yasuhiko Yamada

10:42 AM Mr. Blue

must be German

10:59 AM Mr. Blue

this lady puts her nephew on the phone because he's "good with computers", but he's also functionally illiterate

11:05 AM Mr. Silver
Good with a mouse and pictures

11:07 AM Mr. Blue

literally a buffoon

pronounced "CE" and "USB" phonetically

"chi" and "ussb"

11:08 AM Mr. Brown

lol

ass

lol

keep giving him different ones that actually spell something

lol

i wonder how he will pronounce CPU

chpoo

spoo

11:10 AM Mr. Blue

heheh

Evolution Explained

11:27 AM Mr. Brown

so God said this is boring. Get rid of these dinosaurs. Ahh! Let's add this -- more fun.

11:27 AM Mr. Silver
It was a long time ago...all kids like dinosaurs.
200 million years ago His Parents started hassling Him. 
"Son...when You were an infant, You were all about the germs...what kid isn't loaded with germs?  Then You'd play with bugs and worms and got fascinated with fish...Mom and I understood.  Then You started collecting frogs and amphibians...normal kid stuff...”
“Then dinosaurs...We were OK with that...”
“But really...150 million years?  Aren't You a little old for that?"
“You need a proper pet or something...what about birds?...or some mammals?  Something to take care of and teach You responsibilities."
"But I don't WANNA throw 'em out Dad!"
"Wellllll...keep a couple...jungles, swamps...but most of them go, Son. Your Mom and I have decided it's time."
(God throws tantrum, kicked asteroid hits Earth by mistake)  "No!"
11:38 AM Mr. Silver
And then He moved onto action figures eventually

11:38 AM Mr. Brown

lol

"It's not a doll its an action figure"

Diagrams of Musicians
11:43 AM Mr. Blue

empirical data suggests the accuracy of Thin Lizzy's contention that the boys are indeed back in town.

11:46 AM Mr. Silver

Indeed

However they also contend that when they are cool, they are also red hot.

11:49 AM Mr. Brown

to be cold yet hot.  awesome. 

they are sooooo hot they are cool

11:49 AM Mr. Blue

that'd make a funny Venn Diagram

11:50 AM Mr. Silver
heh
“Boys that are back.”  “Boys that are cool.”  meeting at “Boys that are red hot”

11:51 AM Mr. Blue

label the middle as "Thin Lizzy"

11:54 AM Mr. Silver

“Diagram of The Thin Lizzy Paradox”

12:02 PM Mr. Blue

or how about a Steve Miller flow chart?

fly like an eagle ----> let your spirit carry you

12:06 PM Mr. Silver

-->till you are free

= Solution

2:39 PM Mr. Blue

How about a bar graph labeled "The Stakes" and "Ted Nugent" both being of equal proportion?

oh man that's gold

2:49 PM Mr. Brown

do you really think Ted never did drugs?

2:49 PM Mr. Blue

who said that

2:49 PM Mr. Brown

Ted

lol

Just like Gene from Kiss

They both say there drug of choice was WOMEN.

2:52 PM Mr. Silver
They took a lot of women...
2:53 PM Mr. Brown

White Buffalo

If Ted saw a real white buffalo he would shoot it skin it and eat it and make seat covers for his jeep

2:56 PM Mr. Blue

that's libelous, sir

2:57 PM Mr. Brown

Unless he stays true to the Native American style of things he does

he may see it as The Great Spirit and let it go

2:59 PM Mr. Silver

The Pretty Good Spirit never gets any notice

2:22 PM Mr. Blue

Q: What night is alright for fighting?  A) Saturday B) Saturday C) Saturday D) Saturday

2:38 PM Mr. Brown

Elton John's night

2:38 PM Mr. Blue

what kinda 'fighting' is Elton John getting involved in anyway?

2:38 PM Mr. Brown

the kind that involves his wardrobe makers

2:39 PM Mr. Blue

hehehe

2:45 PM Mr. Silver
never did listen to the lyrics on that song...perhaps he IS yelling at wardrobe about the number of rhinestones on his shoes...dunno

12:59 PM Mr. Blue

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Japan

1:04 PM Mr. Blue

this story is straight up awesome

1:25 PM Mr. Silver

The Japanese like it

1:38 PM Mr. Blue

1:35 PM "Anonymous, Jim  There is warm food available in the break room"

i sure hope it's borscht!

1:40 PM Mr. Silver

Oooo....haven't had borscht in ages

"Warm jello...warm icecream...warm orange juice..."

1:41 PM Mr. Blue

"Grilled dilly bars"