[9:10
AM] Mr. McGreen:
So
you know the language of the King James Bible is referred to as being
in "King James"?
Is
any story or script written in that form also considered King James?
You
guys like language so I wanted to ask you first
[9:11
AM] Mr. Blue:
Just
"King James"? Never heard of that.
I
thought it was just in English
[9:11
AM] Mr. McGreen:
Yeah,
that's what I'm not sure of
[9:12
AM] Mr. Blue:
It's
400 years old so it might be just a weird form of English
[9:12
AM] Mr. McGreen:
Like
if it was common English when the King James Bible was written or a
stylized writing.
[9:14
AM] Mr. Blue:
2
By whom also wee have accesse by faith, into this grace wherein wee
stand, and rejoyce in hope of the glory of God. 3
And not onely so, but we glory in tribulations also,
knowing that tribulation worketh patience:
Sounds
like Shakespeare
Would
be roughly the same time period
[9:16
AM] Mr. McGreen:
So
if we watch Kiss Kiss Bang Bang that's how people talk, its just
English. Was Shakespeare like that or was that not how people
actually went around talking?
[9:16
AM] Mr. Blue:
I
don't think we talk much like people do in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
[9:16
AM] Mr. McGreen:
Well,
lol
I
meant like common English
[9:17
AM] Mr. Blue:
Nor
did people in the 40s talk like private detectives in film noir...
"Listen here, seeee..." etc.
[9:17
AM] Mr. McGreen:
I
think that answers my question tho
I
wish I talked like they do in gay perry
I'm
not quick witted enough
[9:18
AM] Mr. Blue:
Shakespeare isn't identical to how people talked back then.
It's a stylized version of early modern English
[9:18
AM] Mr. McGreen:
Made
for entertainment
[9:18
AM] Mr. Blue:
Shakespeare
literally invented words and colloquialisms
Stuff
in his work that you'd be like "Yeah I've heard that 1,000,000
times before" was, for his audience, the first time they heard
it
[9:20
AM]
Yes
[9:20
AM] Mr. Blue:
Shakespeare
might've been somewhat bizarre sounding to even his audience
[9:20
AM]
The King
James Bible was, I believe, intentionally stylized by the
transcribing team.
In
fact, dredging a bit from an old SCA article about "How to Speak
Forsoothly"...they don't even use the language correctly.
Like
a lot of the Thees and Thous should be "you"
Funny
thing is, somehow that version is held up as THE only authentic
Living Word that God Himself wrote! ... even though there's all
the older stuff without the translation mistakes available.
For
instance - Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
Well.
They
didn't know what the word meant, so they picked "witch".
It
was "poisoner".
Yeah...please
execute poison murderers.
Instead
they hung and burned a lot of people that weren't really doing
anything...can't do an autopsy to determine if someone drank a goblet
of witchcraft.
[9:25
AM] Mr. McGreen:
The
King James Bible is regarded as the most accurate English translation
based on original text, but yeah unfortunately you just can't
translate some stuff
Well
I dont want to say most accurate
Most
popular maybe. IDK.
Its
funny though, because even in original Biblical texts, some portions
were "classical" Hebrew which was an archaic form of the
language even then
[9:32
AM] Mr. Blue:
Yeah,
the OT was in Aramaic and Hebrew
NT
was Koine Greek?
[9:32
AM] Mr. Blue:
You
know how when you see signs like "ye olde book shoppe" or
whatever, ye is pronounced The?
[9:32
AM]
Yes
There
was no word Ye
[9:32
AM] Mr. McGreen:
I
didn't
[9:32
AM] Mr. Blue:
I
know we discussed that
That
was just to Mr. McGreen
It
was (runic thorn)e. and the runic thorn is pronounced "th."
But when printing presses were invented there were no runes made for
it, so they used y because it was similar in appearance
[9:34
AM] Mr. McGreen:
Oh,
ha, that's cool
[9:34
AM] Mr. Blue:
It
also points to the Norse and Germanic influence into England that
they were using runic letters
Old
English reads like something out of Scandinavia (because it was)
[9:38
AM] Mr. McGreen:
So
were runes an alphabet
Or
like a collection of words
[9:38
AM] Mr. Blue:
Yeah
Alphabet
[9:39
AM] Mr. McGreen:
We
should make rune soup and sell it on Think Geek
[9:39
AM]
Yes!
[9:39
AM] Mr. Blue:
Iceland
still uses them... or at least there's still a few runic letters in
their now Latin alphabet
[9:39
AM]
That
is a fantastic idea!
[9:39
AM] Mr. Blue:
I
agree
Rune
cereal too
Viking-Os
[9:39
AM] Mr. McGreen:
OK,
my mother in law can make noodles
We
will be hundredaires!
[9:40
AM]
"Make
your lunch an oracle! Spell out words in Old Norse! Read your
future in the runes!”
[9:40
AM] Mr. McGreen:
Literally
tens of dollars
[9:40
AM]
Yes!
We'd
sell case of cans, I'm sure!
Can't
paste the results, but "Chicken Noodle Os" looks awesome in runes
[9:50
AM] Mr. McGreen:
I
read their were times in Greece and Rome homosexuality and pedophilia
were to be expected within a family.
[9:50
AM] Mr. Blue:
Could
be
Such
a long time period
[9:52
AM]
That's
the problem with lumping a culture together, especially ones around
so long.
[9:53
AM] Mr. Blue:
It'd
be like asking a historian 1000 years from now if homosexuality was
accepted in the United States
Depends
where and when
1890s
in Montgomery Alabama? Probably not. 2017 in Boston?
Yes.
[9:53
AM]
We're
"Americans" and haven't been around as long as a lot of
other cultures. How much is similar region to region? How
static has “American” culture been for 250 years?
[9:53
AM] Mr. McGreen:
Merica!
Merica
wasn't founded on none of them queerbo-sexuals
*spits*
[9:54
AM]
That
kind of thinking results in stuff like the Confederate dips in the
news.
All
this lasting fuss over a very brief episode in US history that was
150 YEARS ago.
"We're
still arguing over our Civil War!"
(Brit)
"Why? How long was it?"
"3
years? 4 maybe?"
(Brit)
"How cute. I'm not up on US history. When was it?”
“The
early 1860s”
(Brit)
"So what's the current fuss? Something academic under dispute
among historians I suppose."
"Well,
no. The “non-racist” racists who think they're “oppressed”
but aren't seem to believe they are a living generation
removed from the oppressive oligarchy pretending to be a freedom-loving democracy that lost the war. They also think they should be proud of
treason, put up statues of their favorite losers, and wave the flag of a hostile enemy
state. They feel that allying themselves with anti-Americans makes them
patriotic Americans. Everyone intelligent wants to take their
crap down."
(Brit)
"Statues? Goodness. Our civil wars usually ended
with heads on London bridge and national tours of quartered and tarred
bodies."
"You
don't celebrate any heroes of the Revolutionary War in England, I
assume."
(Brit)
"Umm...no. Actually I don't think there are any."
[9:55
AM] Mr. McGreen:
We
should maybe put statues and artifacts in museums and NOT destroy
them out of anger.
[9:55
AM]
I
agree on the museum thing. Anything of real historical value should
be there.
[9:56
AM] Mr. Blue:
Yeah,
you don't wanna go down the path of a cultural revolution
[9:56
AM] Mr. McGreen:
Pretending
it never happened does not lead to progress
[9:56
AM] Mr. Blue:
Most
of these statues aren't even that old and were funded and erected by
people as a middle finger to the Civil Rights movement
[9:56
AM] Mr. McGreen:
Oh?
LOL
[9:56
AM] Mr. Blue:
They're
from the 60s
The
one in Charlottesville is older... 1908 I think. That's pretty iffy.
It's borderline historical, even if it's negative.
But
if you just move it, everyone wins.
The
cultures that destroy shit irrationally end up paying for it
Like
China or Islamic radicals
[10:05
AM] Mr. McGreen:
I'd
prolly put one in my yard with a gnome hat
"Symbol
of hate? No! That's a garden gnome."
[10:08
AM]
Paint
the hat red...beard white...put a lantern in his hand. There...whimsical re-purposing! It's environmentally responsible.
"Is that
General Lee holding a pickaxe and winking?"
"What's
with the giant spotted mushroom next to Stonewall Jackson?"
Garden
Traitor Gnome
[10:09
AM] Mr. McGreen:
Just
show the Confederate folks a copy of "White Chicks" and remind them it
happened.
