546 - Old Invaders, Rotten Plans, and Email Dude

[3:04 PM] 

Haven't watched Teenagers From Outer Space in a really long time.  Was it in the Netflix list?

[3:07 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

i think it still is

[3:07 PM] 

I mainly remember "Really OLD teenagers from outer space", a skeleton in a swimming pool, and the classic chevron space suits.

[3:07 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

nope.. not there anymore

and “bring him back for TORCH-UH”

The old guy in it was in a *ton* of bad movies, many of which mst3k screened

He was in 3 Ed Wood films alone

Imagine seeing Ed Wood direct first-hand and still continuing to work with him

Teenagers from Outer Space was insanely low budget even by B movie standards

And, i dare say, it's not *that* bad

i mean it's bad but not like, Manos bad

It's coherent

A dime store Hubley's "Atomic Disintegrator" toy as the aliens' disintegrator ray gun.

[3:31 PM] 

Fairly nice looking though

Did I I wear that chevron costume here back in ancient Katzenjammer days?  Think so.

Mrs. Silver had one too

We were really old teenagers from outer space.

I want one of these - http://geo-g.wikia.com/wiki/Austin_Magic_Pistol

Toy! 

"Ages 9 to 99!  Fun for everyone!  Favorite of the Green Berets!"

[3:38 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

FIRE

come closer

come closer

BLAAAAM!!!

 [3:39 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

i remember seeing the pictures of your TfOS costume but i wasn't here for it

http://www.atomicbox.net/dratomic/WEBSITE_GUNS/MOD_GUNS/hubley.jpg

That thing looks heavier than most modern *actual* guns

[3:40 PM] 

I was trying to find the gun I had when U ran across the Austin Magic

There was the air torus launcher that got banned pretty fast too

http://www.retroland.com/air-blaster-gun/

[10:14 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 

I've noticed a trend of time travel movies and shows last few years

We are starting to get away from zombies

lol

[10:14 AM] 

Zombies ran far longer than I expected.

[10:15 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 

Vamps fell

[10:15 AM] 

yup

[10:15 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 

Had like a two year run

All they need to do now is make a time traveling Vampire fighting zombies

lol

but Bill and Ted is coming back

so time travel is coming back hard

[10:17 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

I think money was a factor in the zombie thing

Pretty easy to just film at old rundown warehouses or buildings and have a bunch of extras in makeup meandering around

no CGI needed

[10:22 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 

Get the gray paint & rubber eyeballs.

Zombies was a hot item, so yeah, grab ahold and run with that one

Especially if it is cheap to do

[10:27 AM] 

Even if the scenarios are rather silly.

"So they died..."

"Yeah."

"And stood back up..."

"Yeah."

"And wanted to eat people..."

"Right." 

"So this plague...it lasted like a week?"

"Oh no...still rolling."

"Full body necrosis?  You'd think the first warm day...y'know..."

[10:30 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

Or the first sub-freezing day

[10:30 AM] 

yes

"Yay!  Spring thaw!  The trees are budding, the birds are singing, and the late season ghouls are thawing out!"

[10:31 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 

Somebody needs to do a true Zombie movie

[10:31 AM] 

Like voodoo chemical slaves?

[10:31 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

28 Days Later was kind of like a rabies type thing

aggressive rabies

[10:31 AM] 

See, I can get behind diseased living people

Dead ones?  Not for long.

After the initial surprise I'd think it'd just become a standard thing for the coroner or someone to carry a mallet and big nail on cases.

"Otherwise he might wander around for a couple days, ma'am."

"Isn't there another way?”

"Well...we can put 5-point manacles on him.  But it's not really pleasant to watch."

[10:39 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

I feel like a zombie outbreak would be over in about 8 hours

Pretty much like NotLD

Everyone grabs their gun and they do a full sweep

[10:40 AM] 

Yes on NotLD

It seemed like the only people really having trouble were the ones who ended up isolated somewhere.

With fresh dead people

So…like…extremely unlucky people.

The house they were in must have been right near a Jewish funeral parlor or something.

A big one

After...like...one of those picnic disasters where 30 people get fried by the same lightning bolt.

We should make that movie

"The Afternoon of Watching the Living Dead Coverage on TV"

(Barbara on couch) "CNN keeps showing the same clips over and over."

[10:47 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 

Kinda like a Shaun of the Dead

Except you hold up in the house because they really can't get in

No strength to break anything

So you just sit there look out the window every so often

Watch the news

LOL

[10:48 AM] 

Johnny "They're coming to bore you Barbra..."

Barbara "I'm gonna put on Big Bang Theory."

[10:49 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 

News reporter standing with camera guy doing a piece with a zombie in shot

Just keeps stepping to the left

lol

"So what is it like being a zombie?" 

"mmsmsms"

[10:50 AM] 

Holds it back with a stick in his off hand while talking to the camera

[10:50 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 

haha

Then they bring out the big guns sportscaster

For commentary on the zombies moving around

[10:57 AM] 

(Interviewing man with rifle) "Does it upset you, shooting these people?"

"Well...kind of.  There's not very many and they are about as challenging a target as a turtle."

It would end up like those Local Interest piece on the evening news:

(Talking Head) "And a local man woke up to find a bear wandering around his back yard!  He sent us these videos of the visit as the bear rooted around in the garbage cans.  Local authorities in pest control captured and removed the bear with little difficulty and no one was hurt!  Now Sports!"  

Just swap "zombie" in for bear.

[11:07 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

heh

[11:08 AM] 

How long til vigor mortis was just a normal thing to people?

"How long would you say the victim has been dead, detective?" 

"Oh...he's still stumbling around, so like an hour?  Should be stiffening up soon."

Swap rigor for vigor and a zombie of this type gets like 52 hours according to this.

[11:14 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 

I was thinking that a good name for the movie would be "The Day of the Stiffening"

[11:16 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

Starring Vigor Mortissen

[11:17 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 

lol

But for zombies that are hard to fight that would be a mind-altering virus

They are alive capable of using all of their senses

[11:20 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

Like a human rabies

Maybe something that just makes their body produce a burst of adrenaline

but doesn't last long - a 24-48 hour frenzy

[11:21 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 

Maybe like the military trying to make a super soldier and screwing up.

[11:30 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

How about an alien-engineered plague

Say a "Plan" (one of any number of plans) to resurrect the dead

[11:49 AM] 

"Plans 1 through 8 have been unsuccessful..."

"What did those entail?"

"Well.  Plan 1 was passing out flyers on the street asking Earth to surrender..."

"Plan 2 was getting a crook elected their president."

"Plan 3 was getting an actor elected their president.  We got both of them IN office but their system is so primitive..."

“Plan 4 was causing mass hysteria over toys...like these dolls or this laughing red monster...but subjects found them too grotesque.  We tabled those."

[12:34 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

"We went back to presidents. Tried a retarded guy and then a megalomaniacal corporate super-villain... no dice."

[12:48 PM] 

"So 2, 3, 5 AND 6 were all president stuff?"

“Well 5 was Social Networks and then 7 was Smart Phones. But their stupid minds...”

“So that brings us to Plan 9...”

“Unfortunately.”

[3:29 PM] 

We need a smarmy Chrome programmer on our webmail team.

"What does the error say?"

"Whoops! Ha ha ha!"

[3:30 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

"Email Fatality"

"Why are there skulls with attached backbones all over my screen?"

[3:32 PM] 

"Anyway, I clicked on 'Delete from server: Never' and it popped up a box that just says 'Dude...' and a button that says 'S R S L Y and a question mark."

"That's webspeak for 'Seriously’, ma'am.  Click it if you're sure."

"Ok...I did... Now it says "Dude...  Okaaaay...".”

“Click the Okaaaaay.”

[3:33 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

“Now it says "C'mon...".”

[3:35 PM] 

:D

[3:35 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

"Now "I Give Up"."

[3:38 PM] 

"I hit that. Now it says 'Fine.  Whatever.' "

545 - "The Goofinator", The Crises Of Superman And Wonder Woman

[11:55 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

http://media.tmz.com/2017/01/25/0125-arnold-schwarzenegger-the-pope-ap-3.jpg

"your clothes.  Give them to me."

[11:55 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 

"It's not a YARMULKE!"

[11:57 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

Terminator 6 - terminator back from the future, first person he runs into is a clown on the way to a gig.  "i need ya wig, ya makeup, ya red nose, ya big floppy shoes, ya pokadot jumpsuit and ya tiny car."

[11:58 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 

"I'll Be Back ( Honk Honk)"

[11:58 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

lol

[11:59 AM] 

"It's a T-1000.  Advanced prototype.  Liquid silly."

[12:03 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

(goes to shoot a guy and a flag comes out of the gun that says BANG!)

[12:03 PM] 

(Standing in Walmart bakery section) "...The coconut cream pie with lemon custard... The banana tarts... Extra large can of chocolate whipped cream..." 

"Those are nice...just got those in..."

"Seltzer bottle with wide angle spigot in the 40 PSI range..."

"Hey...Just the stuff you see at the counter, buddy."

[12:03 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

lol

"I see you know your desserts pal."

[12:04 PM] 

hehe

[12:04 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

The scene at the punk/techno dance club except it's a children's birthday party

[12:05 PM] 

Chuck E. Cheese instead of Tech Noir

[12:07 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

"Come with me if you want to laugh!"

[12:08 PM] 

(applauds)

(cop holds up white coveralls) "See this?  This is painters coveralls...waterproof.  He was probably wearing one of these under the costume which is why the squirtguns and fire buckets didn't slow him down."

[12:11 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

heheheheh

this is almost good enough to write out a full script for a sketch

[12:12 PM] 

yes

[12:14 PM] 

"John Connor...he taught us all how to keep a straight face...rush the center ring.  He got us out of the Big Top."

Play the theme music on a calliope

Replace the metal tinks with boings

Imagine the tunnel chase...

Terminator on a tiny minibike with a big bunch of balloons floating behind

"The records were all trashed in the war.  All he's going to do is go through every Sarah Connor in LA in order and make 'em die laughing."

"Can you make him laugh first?"

"(sighs)... I dunno.  With these gags?  I dunno..." 

"So what's it like...time travel?"

"It tickles.  Bright lights."

"If you knew you were following it here, why didn't you bring any future jokes or anything?"

"You come through naked."

"Why naked?"

"I didn't build the silly thing! Something about the matrix thinking its funnier." 

[12:46 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

I forget why they had to go naked

[12:50 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

has to be living tissue

[12:57 PM] 

And...if memory serves from the theater... because it was funnier. 

Especially with the old guy mumbling "What the Hell?" a couple of times with no apparent shock or fear.

[12:38 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

I was watching Con Air then starting thinking about Nick Cage as Superman

realized the only good Nick Cage for that was him in Con Air

lol

He beefed up for that one

[12:44 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

I'm not sure if a Tim Burton Superman would've been any good

Batman was conducive to Burton's style... not sure Superman is

[12:44 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

There was a dark Superman

So a film where superman is the villain

[12:45 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

I think that was 3

[12:45 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

I think it would be cool to bring Keaton back as a elder Batman

Like he trains somebody to take over for him or something

Michael Keaton's Eyebrows were meant to play Batman lol

[1:29 PM] 

Back and caught up

Poor Superman 3

Good parts

Ultimately eh

Selective Vulnerability in that one

[1:33 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

don't think i finished it

[1:34 PM] 

The whole defeat through chemistry was very interesting

[1:34 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

i've watched all of them

[1:34 PM] 

Had one of my favorite sub stories in all of them

But then you get to the ultimate plan...

And the final fight...

[1:34 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

they can be hard to watch when older

lol

[1:35 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

1 was OK, 2 was weird, 3 was bad, 4 was extremely bad

[1:35 PM] 

"Superman IV: The Quest for Paycheck"?

I don't think I've ever seen more than a few minutes of 4

[1:35 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

3 - drinking Superman

He did a good bad superman

[1:36 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

4 was just reaaally low budget

[1:37 PM] 

I think the finale of Superman 3 would have lasted about 20 seconds or less.

[1:38 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

That was the comedy one

[1:38 PM] 

...it was?

[1:38 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

Well they tried to do both

serious and comedy

[1:38 PM] 

It was the Richard Pryor one.  But it wasn't a "comedy".

#3 was awfully dark in the middle

[1:38 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

No but Pryor was supposed to lighten it up some

[1:42 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

I forget if it was 1 or 2 where he just reversed the rotation of the earth which somehow reversed time

[1:42 PM] 

1

[1:42 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

But he couldn't just do that any time?

[1:42 PM] 

Ah...well...that would be the transformative moment that was left out of Wonder Woman making it a weak-ended film.

The build to the time reversal took the whole movie to accomplish

The solution could have been depicted better but the story completing the character was great.

[1:46 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

Wonder Woman?

[1:46 PM] 

No Superman.  I'm saying Wonder Woman's final reveal was weak

But first – Superman had to resolve to abuse his power against everything he was taught

[1:46 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

Yes, he went against all the rules he'd been given

[1:46 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

For 1 person

A chain-smoking reporter that basically exploited people

[1:46 PM] 

yup

Who didn't respect him and barely liked him.

For love.

Now Wonder Woman...she didn't "lose" like Superman

It hurt the story

She was “the best Amazon”.

And she played that mortal – with suspicious hints to the contrary – throughout.

She should have lost as “the best Amazon” – A exceptional mortal easily tossed aside by a god like a nuisance -- and transcended.

But it never happened.

Just was a goddess all of a sudden with no existential crisis...no shock of realization...no ultimate letting go

[1:57 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

So she would have to transcend to be a full god

[2:03 PM] 

Essentially

She thought she was a mortal woman her whole life

It needs to be established such a character is one thing or the other, or there has to be a shift.

Thor is born Asgardian and that's what he is. 

Flash Gordon is just a man.

Wonder Woman was raised as an exceptional but mortal woman.

But she was never an exceptional mortal woman

Her mom knew the whole time.  She tried to keep Diana from realizing it or being exposed.

Diana didn't need trained.

She didn't need bracelets or a sword...

Hell, she's not even vulnerable to mere weapons in modern incarnations of the character. 

[2:08 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

Yeah, she retains her human style - holds onto her training

[2:09 PM]

Diana thought she was "normal"

Meanwhile, even she should have stopped to wonder how she pulled off a (calculates) 40' ascending leap through a stone wall that collapsed part of a building on her and came out unscratched.

She never stopped to consider how impossible that was.

[2:14 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

Diana “Must have been the shield”

[2:14 PM] 

...yeah, sure princess...

NEVER would have got through training without people wondering.

"You've never been cut, have you?"

"I don't think so.  (Saws arm with dagger) No...guess not."

[2:18 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

They have not shown her true abilities yet, even in Justice League

[2:38 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

I haven't seen Wonder Woman

[2:39 PM] 

Yay Mr. Silver Spoilers!

[2:39 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

I wasn't reading anyway lol

I zone out on superhero stuff

[2:39 PM] 

It was good

It wasn't lame

I just think they failed at the end, character-development-wise

[2:56 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

In Wonder Woman?

[2:56 PM] 

yes

For all the reasons up there

544 - Software Violations, "The CrashNBurnateer", Fog As Thick As A Head Of Hair, and "Star Wars: The Once And Future Jedi"

[3:20 PM] 

Heheh...I overheard you say: "Check and make sure he doesn't have any software installed on the computer."

"Damn...Katzenjammer's new rules are harsh!"

[3:21 PM]  Mr. Oleo: 

“I mean... you can't be in violation if you have no software. Some of the more popular programs people use are called “System32” so if you see that, delete it immediately.”

[3:21 PM] 

Hehehe

"In order to make sure this doesn't happen again.  Set him in front of a regular TV with his keyboard and mouse."

"Computer?  Oh...throw THAT out."

[3:27 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

*bang bang bang*  "Open up, its the Feds!  We know you been downloadin' software in there!"

"Look at THIS boss... AOL 9.0, Adobe Acrobat, Microsoft Word. This guy was a real sicko."

[3:27 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

wow

[3:29 PM] 

LOL

[3:29 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 

Ma'am you've got the Flash

You're gonna need reformatification

[3:29 PM] 

Heheh

[3:30 PM]  Mr. Blue: 

"Look at this desktop!  This guy didn't just install software. I mean he took his time – he had fun with it."

[John Bunnell voice]  "This low life won't be seeing any software where he's going, but he will see plenty of hardware!"

[8:28 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

I watched the Rocketeer

Remember liking it as a kid, saw it in theaters.. and had a Rocketeer lunch box in like 2nd grade

it's... okay

not special

[8:29 AM] 

I didn't think much of it as I recall

[8:29 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

the lead guy is really forgettable... very miscast

and IMO too old for the part too

also the rocket would scorch your ass and legs

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/3/32/Rocketeer_Flying_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120420013653

[8:33 AM] 

Yes.  i recall thinking it was a death pack

Grievous damage - if not lethal - just to activate.

[8:35 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

And enough fuel to last maybe a couple minutes, at most

there's no way you can land

[8:37 AM] 

Sure you can

Oh...alive

[8:39 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

Like an F35 without landing gear, or wings

[8:45 AM] 

I believe it also came off to me as the story of a regular guy who gets a flying suit so he can rapidly go to a location where he can't outthink or outfight anyone in particular.

So he ends up dead and gives the tech to the people that wanted it.

[8:46 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

yes

[8:46 AM] 

Imagine trying to fight and maneuver with that thing on.

"The Rocketeer!  or 'How I Helped the Nazis Win the War'."

[8:48 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

and then it shows him flying up above the clouds, with no oxygen and unpressurized

All of this could be alleviated by some kind of "cold fire" fake technology that burns but somehow at room temp, and maybe a winged suit

[8:51 AM] 

Honestly either one of the fuel technology or control technology depicted would change human history dramatically.  And they have both.

"And so we had a base on Mars by 1947..."

[8:53 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

heh

[8:08 AM] 

"One word: Monorail!"  https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a19642881/spilhaus-experimental-city-documentary/

I'm sure the dork in the front of the first picture is happy to be immortalized looking like he's wearing a bra over his coat.

[‎8:10 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

hmm.. smoke stacks inside a dome?

(probably cooling towers, but still)

[‎8:11 AM] 

Or, in this case, heating fogging humidity towers

[‎8:11 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

yes

[8:11 AM] 

(radio guy) "It's another cloudy day inside the dome, folks!"

Still...nuclear steam towers seem like a dandy way to recover massive amounts of fresh water

[‎8:21 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

They kind of did a half-assed attempt at a covered city in Minneapolis

between tunnels and skywalks you can walk from one end of downtown to the other without setting foot outside

[‎9:02 AM] 

"Thinner-Than-A-Human-Hair Technology Advances Yet Again"  https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/a19684046/holographic-memory-film-thinner-than-human-hair-could-store-1000-dvds/

I wonder if that could be considered almost an ancient meme

13,900,000 results (0.39 seconds)

Not really a trope since someone is literally measuring the crap

Is there a "Human Hair" mark on a micrometer gauge?

[8:41 AM] 

We watched Last Jedi again

[8:41 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

the things people bitched about seemed fine

Other than the Leia flying thing which seemed corny

But Rey having nobody parents.. that's fine.  The Force only being a bloodline thing is a lame premise anyway

Snoke being just some nobody that came out of nowhere was fine too. 

And they made up for it with a lot more Snoke scenery and his big red office

What else didn't people like?

The humor?  it seemed kind of uneven. like a serious scene would have a joke.  the jokes didn't really land for me but they were fine.  it was Spielbergian.  try to throw every emotion into every scene all at once.

The way Leia flew looked dumb.. like Mary Poppins or something

[8:44 AM] 

As I argued with a couple people "We don't know what happened after Return of the Jedi.  She was a Skywalker.  They obviously hung out together.  Luke could have taught her enough telekinesis for that over a Life Day weekend."

[8:44 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

Or she just conjured it up while in an extreme situation, just like when someone has to lift a car off a person

[8:44 AM] 

Could have.

They went for angelic flight in my opinion.  Big sleeves, etc

[8:45 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

I didn't see anything in anyone's gripe about it being too "progressive" or preachy.

[8:46 AM] 

I wrote up a huge thing on FB about Rey's parents this weekend, actually

[8:46 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

I didn't see it

I like that she came from trash and her parents sold her for booze money

[8:46 AM] 

Hehe...weeeell...yes and no.

You'll have to read it.

I even went back to look at pictures

I have a solid idea of her origin.  Whether they use it or not is a different thing.

[8:46 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

you can root for someone like that

as opposed to rooting for someone with royal bloodlines that was just born special

[8:47 AM] 

Royal?

[8:47 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

*special

[8:47 AM] 

Ah

[8:48 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

but that's the comparison

[8:50 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 

opening her eyes in space was a bad idea

even with The Force your eyes would freeze and explode

[8:52 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

humans can survive in empty space for a bit

[8:54 AM]  Mr. Brown.:  

yes if you hold your breath you will be alive for a bit

[8:55 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

you'd have to immediately exhale so your lungs don't rupture

[8:55 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 

oh expansion

[8:56 AM] 

As for all the bitching over Luke's behavior...I was delighted.

[8:56 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 

He is conflicted.

Luke checking on his Nephew realizes his future.

[8:56 AM] 

It was a nice clean parallel of the Arthur/Mordred doom

Arthur - bastion of high principles -- best most fair and kindest king of them all -- out of fear of a prophesy ordered all the boys born in year X in Britain to be killed early in his reign because he was told one of them will destroy his dream of Camelot. 

Thereby guaranteeing it.

Mordred survives the massacre, and Arthur finds out not only is Mordred his heir...

He's his heir through having him with his half sister.

Granted she put a spell on him...

He spends the rest of his reign miserable and the kingdom goes into terminal decline as his perfect law is tested by personal problems and a resentful prince.

[9:01 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 

thought that was kinda common back then though.

[9:01 AM] 

Having kids with your sister?

Not...really...

I mean if you go far enough back it was more of a thing

Living god wedding living god relationships

That always worked out so well...

But no...by the time THAT version of Arthur was being written. it was not done anywhere civilized.

This is high-middle ages stuff by that point and Arthur legends were already old.

Arthurian "Hollywood Re-makes"

I knew what they were going for while I was watching it

With a nod to Rashomon in it

And fanboys threw a FIT

"Oh...well they never studied Arthurian lit...I guess I can allow that.  They'll like it later when they calm down."

They even had the Arthurian last battle

The King in front of the shattered remnants of all that he'd fought for

Versus the Bad Seed in front of his overwhelming force of new right scum.

Arthur disappears but may return

Excalibur is lost

"But the spark will rise again"

[9:09 AM]  Mr. Blue: 

What was the Rashomon connection? The different perspectives of the same story of Kylo's training?

[9:09 AM] 

Yes

One lie, one misunderstanding, one truth, and the results

There was great stuff in that movie

...and weak stuff, of course...

“Last Jedi”, i mean