Wednesday, July 10, 2019

545 - "The Goofinator", The Crises Of Superman And Wonder Woman

[11:55 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
"your clothes.  Give them to me."
[11:55 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 
"It's not a YARMULKE!"
[11:57 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
Terminator 6 - terminator back from the future, first person he runs into is a clown on the way to a gig.  "i need ya wig, ya makeup, ya red nose, ya big floppy shoes, ya pokadot jumpsuit and ya tiny car."
[11:58 AM]  Mr. Brown.: 
"I'll Be Back ( Honk Honk)"
[11:58 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
lol
[11:59 AM] 
"It's a T-1000.  Advanced prototype.  Liquid silly."
[12:03 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
(goes to shoot a guy and a flag comes out of the gun that says BANG!)
[12:03 PM] 
(Standing in Walmart bakery section) "...The coconut cream pie with lemon custard... The banana tarts... Extra large can of chocolate whipped cream..." 
"Those are nice...just got those in..."
"Seltzer bottle with wide angle spigot in the 40 PSI range..."
"Hey...Just the stuff you see at the counter, buddy."
[12:03 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
lol
"I see you know your desserts pal."
[12:04 PM] 
hehe
[12:04 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
The scene at the punk/techno dance club except it's a children's birthday party
[12:05 PM] 
Chuck E. Cheese instead of Tech Noir
[12:07 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
"Come with me if you want to laugh!"
[12:08 PM] 
(applauds)
(cop holds up white coveralls) "See this?  This is painters coveralls...waterproof.  He was probably wearing one of these under the costume which is why the squirtguns and fire buckets didn't slow him down."
[12:11 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
heheheheh
this is almost good enough to write out a full script for a sketch
[12:12 PM] 
yes
[12:14 PM] 
"John Connor...he taught us all how to keep a straight face...rush the center ring.  He got us out of the Big Top."
Play the theme music on a calliope
Replace the metal tinks with boings
Imagine the tunnel chase...
Terminator on a tiny minibike with a big bunch of balloons floating behind
"The records were all trashed in the war.  All he's going to do is go through every Sarah Connor in LA in order and make 'em die laughing."
"Can you make him laugh first?"
"(sighs)... I dunno.  With these gags?  I dunno..." 
"So what's it like...time travel?"
"It tickles.  Bright lights."
"If you knew you were following it here, why didn't you bring any future jokes or anything?"
"You come through naked."
"Why naked?"
"I didn't build the silly thing! Something about the matrix thinking its funnier." 
[12:46 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 
I forget why they had to go naked
[12:50 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
has to be living tissue
[12:57 PM] 
And...if memory serves from the theater... because it was funnier. 
Especially with the old guy mumbling "What the Hell?" a couple of times with no apparent shock or fear.



[12:38 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 
I was watching Con Air then starting thinking about Nick Cage as Superman
realized the only good Nick Cage for that was him in Con Air
lol
He beefed up for that one
[12:44 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
I'm not sure if a Tim Burton Superman would've been any good
Batman was conducive to Burton's style... not sure Superman is
[12:44 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 
There was a dark Superman
So a film where superman is the villain
[12:45 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
I think that was 3
[12:45 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 
I think it would be cool to bring Keaton back as a elder Batman
Like he trains somebody to take over for him or something
Michael Keaton's Eyebrows were meant to play Batman lol
[1:29 PM] 
Back and caught up
Poor Superman 3
Good parts
Ultimately eh
Selective Vulnerability in that one
[1:33 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
don't think i finished it
[1:34 PM] 
The whole defeat through chemistry was very interesting
[1:34 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 
i've watched all of them
[1:34 PM] 
Had one of my favorite sub stories in all of them
But then you get to the ultimate plan...
And the final fight...
[1:34 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 
they can be hard to watch when older
lol
[1:35 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
1 was OK, 2 was weird, 3 was bad, 4 was extremely bad
[1:35 PM] 
"Superman IV: The Quest for Paycheck"?
I don't think I've ever seen more than a few minutes of 4
[1:35 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 
3 - drinking Superman
He did a good bad superman
[1:36 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
4 was just reaaally low budget
[1:37 PM] 
I think the finale of Superman 3 would have lasted about 20 seconds or less.
[1:38 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 
That was the comedy one
[1:38 PM] 
...it was?
[1:38 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 
Well they tried to do both
serious and comedy
[1:38 PM] 
It was the Richard Pryor one.  But it wasn't a "comedy".
#3 was awfully dark in the middle
[1:38 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 
No but Pryor was supposed to lighten it up some
[1:42 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
I forget if it was 1 or 2 where he just reversed the rotation of the earth which somehow reversed time
[1:42 PM] 
1
[1:42 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
But he couldn't just do that any time?
[1:42 PM] 
Ah...well...that would be the transformative moment that was left out of Wonder Woman making it a weak-ended film.
The build to the time reversal took the whole movie to accomplish
The solution could have been depicted better but the story completing the character was great.
[1:46 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 
Wonder Woman?
[1:46 PM] 
No Superman.  I'm saying Wonder Woman's final reveal was weak
But first – Superman had to resolve to abuse his power against everything he was taught
[1:46 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 
Yes, he went against all the rules he'd been given
[1:46 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
For 1 person
A chain-smoking reporter that basically exploited people
[1:46 PM] 
yup
Who didn't respect him and barely liked him.
For love.
Now Wonder Woman...she didn't "lose" like Superman
It hurt the story
She was “the best Amazon”.
And she played that mortal – with suspicious hints to the contrary – throughout.
She should have lost as “the best Amazon” – A exceptional mortal easily tossed aside by a god like a nuisance -- and transcended.
But it never happened.
Just was a goddess all of a sudden with no existential crisis...no shock of realization...no ultimate letting go
[1:57 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 
So she would have to transcend to be a full god
[2:03 PM] 
Essentially
She thought she was a mortal woman her whole life
It needs to be established such a character is one thing or the other, or there has to be a shift.
Thor is born Asgardian and that's what he is. 
Flash Gordon is just a man.
Wonder Woman was raised as an exceptional but mortal woman.
But she was never an exceptional mortal woman
Her mom knew the whole time.  She tried to keep Diana from realizing it or being exposed.
Diana didn't need trained.
She didn't need bracelets or a sword...
Hell, she's not even vulnerable to mere weapons in modern incarnations of the character. 
[2:08 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 
Yeah, she retains her human style - holds onto her training
[2:09 PM]
Diana thought she was "normal"
Meanwhile, even she should have stopped to wonder how she pulled off a (calculates) 40' ascending leap through a stone wall that collapsed part of a building on her and came out unscratched.
She never stopped to consider how impossible that was.
[2:14 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 
Diana “Must have been the shield”
[2:14 PM] 
...yeah, sure princess...
NEVER would have got through training without people wondering.
"You've never been cut, have you?"
"I don't think so.  (Saws arm with dagger) No...guess not."
[2:18 PM]  Mr. Brown.: 
They have not shown her true abilities yet, even in Justice League
[2:38 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
I haven't seen Wonder Woman
[2:39 PM] 
Yay Mr. Silver Spoilers!
[2:39 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
I wasn't reading anyway lol
I zone out on superhero stuff
[2:39 PM] 
It was good
It wasn't lame
I just think they failed at the end, character-development-wise
[2:56 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
In Wonder Woman?
[2:56 PM] 
yes
For all the reasons up there

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