[3:38
PM] Mr. Blue:
[3:41
PM]
(looks)
Yup
Another
gamer quirk is on that topic.
It
will happen in games I am playing...or ones I'd be running with new
players.
We'd
get to a "no weapons" town and in case one they'd ask for
my knife. And in case two they'd try to surrender their knives.
(me)
"That's insane. Everyone has a knife. You have to."
"But
it's a weapon."
"So
is a rock. A knife is your main tool of life since you were old
enough to have one put in your hand."
[3:49
PM] Mr. Blue:
I'm
gonna make a spoon that doubles as brass knuckles
[3:54
PM]
heh
[4:07
PM] Mr. Blue:
ahh
yes. a gun that'd be inaccurate at anything further than arm's
length, a flimsy and wobbly dagger, and brass knuckles bent the wrong
way so you have to point the gun and knife towards yourself to use
them
[4:17
PM]
Well
you fold it for that
[4:17
PM] Mr. Blue:
ah
i see
[4:17
PM]
In
the 1860s any handgun was trash.
This
little beauty was the type where, by preference, you are using it
like a hand taser.
Shove
it against the body and pull
[4:19
PM] Mr. Blue:
ah
yeah
Look
at that glove pistol under “see also”
[4:20
PM]
Nice
[8:18
AM]
Possession,
huh?
[8:19
AM] Mr. Blue:
Yeah
[8:22
AM]
9/10
of the Law
Well,
if the pair of you have never read "The Screwtape Letters",
it's an excellent primer for diabolic thought processes.
It's
not overly long. Available in audio form on YouTube I bet.
[8:42
AM] Mr. Blue:
This
movie was based on a true story from Germany
But
really nothing happened that couldn't be explained rationally
Even
when the girl was speaking in Aramaic or Latin, she had taken classes
in her Sunday school
Basically
like any possession it just ironically happened to be a devoutly
religious person with a familial history of mental illness
[9:28
AM]
Possession
for fun and profit.
The
novice might ask: "Why bother?"
Say
you are an immortal spirit and not a nice one, and the only sentient
species you have are these little things with the lifespan of an ant,
swarming around. And you have a controller and can make them
scramble around in a panic and cry by making one do creepy things.
How
bad would you feel devoting "a few minutes" to messing with
them for a giggle?
[9:31
AM] Mr. Blue:
Why
not possess a politician or a king?
Obvious
answer is: "who says they haven't?"
[9:31
AM]
There
you go
heh
[9:32
AM] Mr. Blue:
i
don't recall any kings or politicians that seemed normal and just
suddenly went unquestionably evil, Palpatine style
[9:32
AM]
George
the Third went mad
[9:33
AM] Mr. Blue:
Did
he order villages be burned down and babies thrown in the river?
[9:33
AM]
Dunno
On
that point, what maniac does that? Plenty of
non-crazy/possessed people in history did awful things
But as a demonic job, on the other hand...
[9:34
AM] Mr. Blue:
You'd
think if a politician or king did get possessed and turn into doing
bad stuff, they'd want credit eventually. Like just before the king
was deposed he'd be like "I'm not the king, I'm Pazuzu"
[9:35
AM]
Credit?
From talking ants?
[9:35
AM] Mr. Brown:
“My
name is Legion, we are many. I mean i am, i mean we...Dang i messed
up again let me start again."
"My
name is Legion...crap! We are...We are...”
[9:36
AM] Mr. Blue:
If
we are ants then why even bother?
I
wouldn't want to possess an ant
I
read something that the Catholic church's lead exorcist himself says
there's no such thing as possession.
But
because the patient believes it they still treat it as such.
Basically a placebo.
He's
a physician / priest
[9:40
AM]
The
Church doesn't like the concept, no
Treat
magic psychosis with what the patient wants...magic psychology
[9:40
AM] Mr. Brown:
Somebody
goes crazy, latent psychic powers come out
Things
start moving around
Fires
starting
[9:41
AM] Mr. Blue:
that
doesn't seem to ever happen
[9:41
AM]
Hell,
the voodoo traditions have possession as just part of the regular
service.
Imagine
going to a Christian church and having the priest lead an ecstatic
dance calling for Jesus to possess his body so he can perform the
rest of the service.
Why
have a human officiate when you can get a Loa of that caliber to do
it?
[9:42
AM] Mr. Blue:
middle
paragraph
[9:44
AM]
Bleh
Right...anyway...
Demonic
possession as a job.
To
use someone's body who was vulnerable and who "gave up" to
attempt to drive other souls around that person into despair and
vulnerability.
The
“Job” job.
Kind
of double-edged sword, that.
To
the faithful witness, it's proof of God
To
the weak one, it makes the observer question how God would allow such
crap
[9:52
AM] Mr. Blue:
But
why does the demon care?
[9:52
AM]
Its
his job
It
doesn't matter if he cares
[9:52
AM] Mr. Blue:
Ah
[9:53
AM]
Angels
were never supposed to have Free Will. They were to do their task.
The
devils cracked that restriction but it doesn't mean they aren't still
of a type.
If
the new evil task is to sow discord, tempt, and defile...you do it.
Wreck
God's monkeys and collect their souls when they die with mortal sins
branded all over them for torture and maybe “food”.
Better?
[10:00
AM] Mr. Blue:
I
understand more now. It still seems like inefficient use of demon
time
[10:01
AM] Mr. Brown:
Wow.
That human life went by like a hot demon minute.
[10:01
AM]
Yes.
They've got oodles of time.
They
lost the main war but are still hunters and terrorists
Because
hey...if I had Almighty Power, I know I'd leave a bunch of violent
fanatics in their own section of the universe...
That
I built for them...
Which
should have been a prison...
But
from where they can issue forth...
To
cause horrifying damage to the mortals...
That
I love...
Because
the only defense they have is faith...
Which
provides no protection unless they die with it...
And
failing that they go to the prison...
To be tortured forever...
For stuff I could stop..
So..
Yeah,
I'd do that...
Instead
of just erasing the devils, I mean
[10:03
AM] Mr. Brown:
People
always excuse that as “you can't know good without evil”
[10:03
AM]
Meh
Don't
need evil devils to understand evil
If
you did, the entirety of Sin would be invalid
People
are creative enough without devils
[10:04
AM] Mr. Brown:
Yes
After
eating that apple or what ever it was
Probably
a nut based on this chat
[10:04
AM] Mr. Blue:
Random
fruit
[10:04
AM] Mr. Brown:
I
bet it was a tomato
[10:05
AM] Mr. Blue:
from
a tree?
[10:05
AM] Mr. Brown:
yes
Then
God put it on a vine and told us all to call it a vegetable thinking
we would think it was gross and not eat it anymore
[10:05
AM] Mr. Blue:
The
snake wasn't necessarily a snake
"Serpent"
[10:05
AM]
Ah
Interesting
point there though
[10:06
AM] Mr. Brown:
It
had legs and arms
[10:06
AM]
If you read the text it
WAS a snake...a plain one too
Because God
cursed all snakes to be...um...regular snakes
If
it wasn't a plain snake, that whole section in Genesis looks like it
makes no sense.
"Serpent!
You are a devil! You caused this! I'm so mad now
that...um...(looks around...picks up a snake) that
I curse these
little bastards to...um...(takes out notebook)...uh...do
what they already do. So. There."
[10:07
AM] Mr. Blue:
They
seem to have made out well.. they're everywhere
[10:09
AM] Mr. Brown:
Look
at it wiggle, Satan. That's your punishment.
[10:10
AM]
Honestly,
being a shaman, it reads exactly like a totemic religious reference
that was collected and used.
“A
serpent” didn't tempt humanity...
"Snake" did it.
And got his people – the Snake People – cursed for what their god
"Snake" did.
Snake
- "If you eat this, you'll be like God, with knowledge”.
God declares later man is now "like us". Note the lack of a capital U. God always capitalizes himself.
So who
is “us”?
There was only Adam, Eve, animals and plants in God's personally set-aside Garden of Eden.
God didn't live there.
Angels didn't live there.
We're to believe plain mundane snakes are Immortal and have Knowledge? Ridiculous notion.
Note - in typical Biblical fashion, the writers couldn't keep the story straight. The writers
screwed the details of Chapter 2 up by they time they got to Chapter 3
There was not one magic tree.
There were TWO magic trees.
The Tree of Life was - specifically - the one in the middle. Yet Eve says Knowledge is in
the middle.
the middle.
The Tree of Knowledge didn't have a specific location...only that one had the ban on it.
That one, God said if they eat from that one and gain knowledge, they will "die"...the
bodies will be made mortal.
This is a non-threat unless you are aware you are immortal.
Yet God says Adam and Eve are free to eat from the Tree of Life after they got kicked
out? Um... Nonsense... plus they weren't Immortal after.
Adam and Eve were eating from the Tree of Life the whole time. Obviously the
immortal soul comes from eating from the Tree of Life.
No..."us" were the plants and animals.
They were the best of the best Plants and Animals that Adam was asked to "give names".
They were Totems - beings who were Immortal and Wise after eating from both trees.
NONE
of the rest of "us" other totems in the garden got nailed - they were obviously
eating the fruit, they just didn't talk Eve into trying it.
[10:14
AM] Mr. Brown:
I
think Octopus did. Had a nibble
[10:17
AM]
And
look what happened to them. Ick
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