Sunday, March 1, 2020

590 - How To Keep Dublin From Falling Off Of Ireland, and We (Mostly I) Talk About Vampire Stuff

[3:09 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
There's a 390 ft piece of stainless steel jutting out of the middle of Dublin and nobody knows why https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spire_of_Dublin
During Festivus you face towards Dublin to pray
[3:09 PM] 
Doctor Who knows but ain't sayin'
[3:11 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
Supporters compare it to other initially unpopular urban structures such as the Eiffel Tower
99% of things that are initially unpopular remain so
[3:12 PM] 
It even has alien writing all around the bottom.
(Doctor facing off against Cyberman leader) "Let me show you what I did to the last cyber invasion of Earth that started in Dublin Ireland.  Then tell me to surrender again."
[3:13 PM]  Mr. Brown: 
God was working on Dublin and decided he needed to put a pin in that part of the project and hasn't come back to it yet
[3:32 PM] 
The old Irish Prophesy was that the Devil himself had cursed the city - declaring he would arrive one day, 3 miles tall, and sit on the town, destroying it. 
So...the needle is defensive



[9:46 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
I probably mentioned this but in GotG 2 there's a brief scene on some party planet called Contraxia with a background song that instantly blew me away.  It's not on the soundtrack.  It was written just for that scene by Jimmy Urine (Mindless Self Indulgence frontman. He also has a cameo in the scene).
Apparently it'll never be released.  i guess i wasn't the only person that loved it, Someone edited out the dialogue and turned it into a 95 minute loop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_bUUGwc-S0
[9:50 AM] 
95???
[9:53 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
i mean you don't have to listen to all 95 minutes
30 seconds is enough
[9:53 AM] 
I certainly won't...hehe
Was thinking about Bang Wa Cherry though
Not-real group that sang that shrill schoolgirl song in the Japanese club in "Blade"
I found a long version of it at one point.  Was wondering if it was just someone's edit to make it long, or whether it was the real thing.
[10:02 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
I never saw the movie but i remember liking the song
[10:05 AM] 
I enjoyed it
Blade should have lost
On the other hand the villain should have been whacked long before the end.
Better than 2, definitely
2 was kind of embarrassing in a couple ways...like “Underworld”. 
(me) "Who thought this out and presented it and were told 'OK'?  It would never be like this."
Seen “Underworld”, I assume?
[10:10 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
nope
[10:10 AM] 
Wow
[10:10 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
It looked bad
[10:10 AM] 
I guess your "I don't know about vampires" thing extends to movies
[10:11 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
I just don't like 'em
[10:11 AM] 
You could just watch it for Beckinsale running around in tight shiny pants if you like.
[10:11 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
I've been watching Salem's Lot the last couple days
[10:11 AM] 
James Mason one?
[10:12 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
Yeah
For a made-for-tv miniseries it's alright
[10:12 AM] 
As I recall, the main vampire in that is pretty nasty looking
(looks up)
Yes...quality Nosferatu, that one.
[10:14 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
Yeah, pretty much exactly like Nosferatu
They used a guy that was disfigured in real life to play him
The plot is similar to
the scenes with the vampire kid coming to his friend's windows are creepy
For some reason all the recently turned vampires have canine fangs but the main dude has incisor fangs
I guess that's a later upgrade
[10:18 AM] 
Yeah, liked the kid thing
That one had the hospital rise in it, didn't it?
[10:19 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
hospital rise?
[10:20 AM] 
Guy put the new vampire down with a tongue depressor and tape cross?
[10:20 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
oh yeah
[10:32 AM] 
Most newer Hollywood vampires are just way too much.
Writers keep giving them superhero-grade powers to look impressive on a movie screen
Like "has non-human powers" isn't enough
[10:33 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
Yeah
[10:35 AM] 
"And for THIS scene, after the hunters shoot him 7 times, he's going to turn into a dragon made out of blood and summon an army of flying demon skeletons out of the earth."
"Laughing off 7 high caliber bullets at point blank range isn't enough?"
[10:37 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
heh
[10:38 AM] 
Meanwhile I'm riveted watching "He Never Died"
[10:38 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
Really the Dracula / Nosferatu vampires are pretty clumsy
They move into a town and everything instantly goes hay-wire
[10:39 AM] 
You mean the real-world disruptions such a careless creature would cause?
[10:39 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
"Am I under some type of suspicion?"
"Well, half the town is either dead, missing, or turned into some kind of ghoul since you moved in yesterday."
[10:40 AM] 
Hehe
Been around 500 years with the same MO...somehow managed to go unnoticed til now.
[10:42 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
"Anything from the FBI report?" 
"Well, every place Mr. Straker lived before has had to be condemned for various reasons." 
"Well... Let me know if you find anything useful."
[10:43 AM] 
lol
"Seems there was a (flips papers on clipboard) 'plague of undead' that started every time he moved into town and ended with a massive kill effort sometime after he left.  So...nothing much."
[10:47 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
"It says here he was the sole survivor of a *squints* massive vampire epidemic in eastern northern Hungary."
[10:47 AM] 
Just one of these films, I'd like the minion to apologize.
"The master...he's been succumbing to Alzheimer’s.  I'm so careful to keep him in, but... How can I help make it right?"
(getting out Kill Kit, passing out instruction sheets)
"He was always so clean, you know?  But then he started having “accidents” and I could tell something was going wrong." 
"I thought if I picked a nice quiet town and a big old house like he likes far away from a proper neighborhood...even if he got out.  I just didn't think he'd wander so far.  So who are we after?"
Now now, let's not get into revenge or anything – it just makes it worse. Lord, the bloodbaths... No, he's very old, usually quite harmless, and has put away billions.  We'll just put the girl back where she belongs, put her soul at rest and discuss some sort of settlement.  People do it for car accidents and such all the time."
I like this, actually
This is one thing the "Secret World" trope in film and games get right.
You must be a responsible member of something like that or everyone in it is screwed.
If vampirism as an easily-passed contagion actually happened (numerous examples) the human world would have ended in ancient days.
Dracula apparently made 4 total vampires in his hundreds of years - 3 wives he left back home, and 1 I guess he decided was a dud in England. 
"What about the wives?"
(Van Helsing) "Eh...Transylvania...
"Shouldn't we do something?" 
(Van Helsing) "Remember, I told you a month ago that the common vampire is pretty stupid.  If they knew the trick to making more there would be more.  They'll wander off...bite some people.  It'll be fine."
"But!"
(Van Helsing) "Do you want to hunt down every wasp nest around here too?  Let's go home."
[11:13 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
heh
[11:13 AM]  
(He actually did kill them in the book) 
Lucy bit children nightly til they killed her...they were fine.
[11:13 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
Yeah, only some seem to change
I guess it's like an infection... it doesn't always take
[11:14 AM] 
He had to feed Lucy and Mina his blood.
Mina suggested she was forced but Van Helsing had noted earlier it’s a choice.
Granted a heavily coerced one. 
Then you die...blood loss of repeat visits...
So obviously - in that version - it can be done and there's always some danger one of his wives would make a new one out of some species instinct
But most of the time...nope. 
You wake up kinda woozy, look in the mirror at your neck and say "Maaan... Honey?  We need to garlic the windows this week.  Vampire season I guess."
"Well it's October, dear...the nights are getting long."
[11:58 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
It wouldn't make sense that their victims die
No other blood-suckers kill their victims. Usually they don't even notice.
[11:58 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
There is also the whole - why would just one bite change them?
I have seen that done before in films
[11:58 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
I like the idea of it being an infection
Like malaria... Getting bit by a mosquito carrying it isn't a guarantee you'll get it
getting bit by 20 mosquitoes carrying malaria though.
[11:59 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
I like that you have to drink the vampire's blood to change
[12:00 PM] 
So another element - vampires don't drink very much blood from their victims.
How much they drink is not discussed but its observable in the text
Dracula was drinking enormous amounts of blood from Lucy and Mina
They needed transfusions
Meanwhile Jonathan Harker was left in Transylvania with 3 of them for weeks who fed on him nightly to keep him too weak to escape.
Lucy was having a nip of street child every night. 
Must have just been pulling half a teaspoon each?  1/4?
Wear you down, definitely
I think in Bram's case most people would die from infected bites from a dead person's mouth.
Vampires are scary as Hell with fantastic powers but just "aren't dangerous". 
They kill you through side effects – wash the bites and put up repellent.
And don't attack them head on or they'll use their powers to tear you apart
...unless they want you to serve them or they "love" you, and then you're F'd
[12:12 PM]  Mr. Brown: 
Later tales of vamps they like to say vampires are from Cain in the Bible
[12:59 PM] 
Cain, yes. Doesn't make much sense for God to make an immortal bloodsucking monster on earth to plague his creation with his offspring...but...
The Lilith angle makes more sense.
[1:00 PM]  Mr. Brown: 
yep
mother of vamps
[1:00 PM] 
Adam was into Goth chicks for a while
[1:01 PM]  Mr. Brown: 
The first black lipstick wearer
We don't have clothes but I rubbed this soot on my lips and eyes. How does it look?

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