Sunday, March 1, 2020

589 - Authentic Fakes, Martin Luther Nailed It, and Samoan Fried Samoa

[8:14 AM] 
Morning
[8:54 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
confused by the map
[8:54 AM] 
Me too
[8:56 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
but good story
[9:00 AM] 
Not against newer techniques
[9:00 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
ah
[9:01 AM] 
You can tell from disturbance of oxidation layers and other chemical patina effects when the metal was altered. 
[9:04 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
There's gotta be ways to trick or at least obscure modern dating methods
[9:05 AM] 
Yes but it's getting harder
[9:05 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
Maybe bombard with radiation or some kind of acid to aid patina
or like how they do chromeplating but with patina
with magnetic currents or whatever
It's probably easier to just find real historical items nowadays lol
[9:06 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
Find real historical item - add text to it
[9:07 AM] 
People have done that Mr. Brown
Here's the thing...artificial process - no matter how elaborate - vs dumping it on the beach to be rubbed and washed for a few hundred years, you're going to get different results.
[9:07 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
HERE LANDED SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1576
THIS LAND CLAIMED FOR HIS MAJESTY
THE KING OF ENGLAND
AND I'M GAY LOL
[9:11 AM] 
Document fraudsters will, for instance, scrape the ink off of parchment that is known to be the correct age, and then write on that.
[9:12 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
To make it test older?
[9:12 AM] 
The scrape/rewrite was perfectly normal back in the day...parchment was expensive animal hide and reused
If you test a sample of that you get a page from 1250 or whatever
A properly formulated ink can also baffle identification.
If those are both good you have to try to debunk by context or style
"People didn't put serifs on that letter in that century."
or "This reads like Greek but like writers from the X century instead of the Y century."
or "These lines sound different from everything else in the chapter." 
(that would be a common Biblical/related text tag)
[9:28 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
yes
[9:30 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
This guy xeroxed it
lol
I like that part in the Mr. Bean movie
When he egg, nail polish, washes a poster of Whistler's Mother
[9:31 AM] 
It wasn't a poster, it was supposed to be the original in the movie :D
[9:32 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
No he fixed his mess up WITH a poster
He took the original with his drawn-on face home.
[9:32 AM] 
Ah
[9:32 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
i was browsing YT and stumbled on the clip where he's in the airport and he sees a cop's gun and starts pretending he has a gun
[9:32 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
HEHEHEHEH
My boys laughed hard at that scene



[9:38 AM] 
If you haven't read the tale of Martin Luther and his theological development from a religious nut into...kind of a different religious nut...it's well worth it
[9:39 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
Honestly was he really that nutty?  I thought he just kind of questioned some things about the church that seemed very obvious but everyone was too afraid to question
[9:40 AM] 
If I'm recalling correctly, his epiphany and shift into scrutiny of Catholicism came after his confessor got irritated with him.
Luther was so convinced that he had to confess everything I think he even made organized lists (German) and confessed...all the time.
One day his designated guy had enough and said "Look! Kid!  You don't have to work so hard at this.  The whole point is contrition and making the effort and intercession and absolution.  Maybe get some tasks if it was bad enough to keep you focused.  God actually already knows everything you did.  You don't have to list and tell me everything!" 
...
and that got Luther thinking.
God already knows this...already knows I'm contrite...
Why am I even telling some other guy just so he can tell me it's OK? 
How does he know it's OK anyway?  Only God knows that. 
[9:46 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
So then take it to the Big Guy
Yeah Lutheranism is not one saying go and sin.
it's still saying you need to be aware and do the right thing but admit when you have been bad
[9:48 AM] 
An undeniably devout member of The Flock, he started thinking about a lot of Catholic rules and such
He realized oodles of them were not from the Bible but made up by Popes and such
[9:49 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
Pope interpretations
[9:50 AM]
No, whole cloth BS.
So Luther came up with a mere starter list of 95 of them and nailed them to a church door so they'd be seen.
Anyway, by the end he'd pretty much gone long-haired hippie and was preaching free love and anti-Semitism.
Have to look
One of the sketches taken out of Monty Python's "Meaning of Life" was a randy Martin Luther going around town trying to get some action
Not a big loss...not their funniest stuff
[10:01 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
We still follow Christian principles, just in another way
lol
[10:02 AM] 
“Kind of an...excommunicated way”
[10:03 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
Nowadays its a lot different
[10:03 AM] 
yes
[10:03 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
everybody is kind of together but doing own thing
[10:04 AM] 
As far as One Trues go, Christianity certainly put out a lot of branches
[10:08 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
Not going to say i remember every single thing about my religion though
I don't pay attention well
lol
[10:10 AM] 
You have a minister of some sort who is supposed to do that
[10:10 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
Yes I'm a sheep
I like my pastor. She brings herself down to our level all the time
does not play the high and mighty card like some pastors do
[10:10 AM] 
and you're in a group that has some standards and sends them to college where they have to do proper coursework and graduate...so...you're better off than some folk
[10:11 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
Seems like the door nailing thing was fake
didn't actually happen i mean
It would be funny if he did.
Nails some crap to the door... first person that comes along rips it down and throws it in the trash
[10:12 AM] 
"And so, Luther took his list and nailed it to the archbishop and fled town."
[10:13 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
lol
[10:15 AM] 
Luther sent the Theses enclosed with a letter to Albert of Brandenburg, the Archbishop of Mainz, on 31 October 1517, a date now considered the start of the Reformation and commemorated annually as Reformation Day. Luther may have also posted the Theses on the door of All Saints' Church and other churches in Wittenberg in accordance with University custom on 31 October or in mid-November. The Theses were quickly reprinted, translated, and distributed throughout Germany and Europe
Posted isn't exactly nailed
[10:17 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
yes
[10:17 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
nail is more symbolic
[10:17 AM]  Mr. Blue: 
i think nailing things to doors was a thing back then, though
[10:18 AM] 
(Looks at bulletin board)  "Babysitting... Discussion group on Job... Used cart... Hmm...what's this?"
"Apostates wanted for new heresy group... look honey, there's a set of rules."
"Into shouting and inter-faith warfare?  Join the 95 Theses Gang."
[10:22 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
I can see that as a skit
every body dressed for the time but have grills and bling
A Catholic priest walks by, they pop him
[10:23 AM] 
Do the "9 5" finger gesture: Flash four on the left, five on the right...bit of flourish and there's still four on the left but the middle finger up on the right.
“Yo, Nuremberg 9-5, G!”
[10:27 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
Best part would be a gang fight, showing them squaring off
[10:27 AM] 
"Right!  Stop that!  It's gone silly!"
[10:27 AM]  Mr. Brown: 
Yes!
LOL
[10:28 AM] 
"Started off as a nice informative clever bit about Martin Luther and now it's just silly."



[2:20 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
A guy I grew up with and went to HS with went to Hawaii and he got one of those traditional tattoos with like sharpened bone and a hammer to tap the ink in
[2:20 PM] 
ah
sorry, I meant AH!
[2:21 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
Samoan style or whatever
[2:21 PM] 
SAMOAN!!!!!!!
Was racking my brain the other day to remember their name!
Tagata Māo‘i
(trying to see where "Samoan" came from and if colonialists just picked it for them)
Tagata Māo‘i is what they were calling themselves
[2:49 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
Forbidden Chicken
[2:49 PM]  Mr. Brown: 
I was just going to write that
hahaha
[2:50 PM] 
Deep in the Heart of Forbidden Chicken
[2:51 PM]  Mr. Brown: 
New DHFC  $5 meals
[2:51 PM] 
SFS
Samoan Fried Samoa
"I'll have the Homestyle Samoa Sandwich.  Could I have a bit of extra Tagata Mayo on it?"
[2:54 PM]  Mr. Blue: 
I figured some dumb explorer thought he landed in Somalia
[2:54 PM] 
"These gentle people were peaceful and happy until colonials named them Samoans and the fighting started. Now they are huge, angry, and yell at you as they dance in synchronized groups."
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