[9:21
AM] Mr. Blue:
Interesting
story that you may already know
[9:22
AM]
Is
there a princess in it?
(Bloom
County intrusion...)
[9:22
AM] Mr. Blue:
John
Fogerty went solo from CCR and did stuff like "Centerfield"
and the old members of CCR sued him for stealing CCR's sound
[9:22
AM]
LOL
[9:23
AM] Mr. Blue:
And
he won in court because he was like "I *was* CCR's sound"
and the judge agreed.
[9:23
AM]
Yup
CCR
used his sound.
[1:23
PM] Mr. Blue:
The
word "gorilla" comes from the history of Hanno the
Navigator, (c. 500 BC) a Carthaginian explorer on an
expedition on the west African coast to the area that later
became Sierra Leone.[4] Members of the expedition
encountered "savage people, the greater part of whom were women,
whose bodies were hairy, and whom our interpreters called
Gorillae".[5] The word was then later used as the species
name, though it is unknown whether what these
ancient Carthaginians encountered were truly gorillas,
another species of ape or monkeys, or humans.[6]
That's
weird
[1:30
PM]
Yes
And
really...an awful lot of people have killed off an awful lot of other
people over the years.
Look
at Australian pygmies
Its
just denied even though there are photographs
[1:31
PM] Mr. Blue:
Yeah
[1:31
PM]
So...maybe
they were actual hairy humans
[1:31
PM] Mr. Brown.:
There
might still be some hiding
I
mean if a race of pygmy was beat down killed by people that kept
showing up in their land they would hide and tell the stories to the
generations which would keep them hiding
[1:32
PM] Mr. Blue:
Yeah,
you'd think even a Carthaginian would know that a gorilla is not a
person
[1:36
PM]
Yes...funny
isn't it. Makes me wonder as an anthropologist.
While
we as a modern culture certainly know more and have access to vast
knowledge those people never did...
They
certainly were not unintelligent...perhaps producing near the same
proportions of genius-level IQs as we do. And probably had better
memories to boot.
But
Most
people didn't travel and would believe anything.
And
gods and monsters were real "because they says so"
Some
stuff is obvious fraud...some stories are traced to older writers the
new guy lifted from.
Was
it one of the Pliny's that - in the end - it was decided it was
pretty unlikely he went to all the places he said he did
So
were they tall tales for fun?
Or
elaborations?
Or
did some of this stuff used to exist?
[1:41
PM] Mr. Blue:
Word-of-mouth
that got elaborated on as the stories traveled
[1:41
PM]
Hairy
humans is not even far-fetched
[1:41
PM] Mr. Blue:
No
[1:41
PM]
It
is VERY far-fetched they'd mistake gorillas for humans
[1:41
PM] Mr. Blue:
And
it's strange they saw them only in the small area gorillas exist
Maybe
it was a tribe that mimicked the gorillas for whatever reason. Or
even wore gorilla pelts or something
[1:42
PM]
Yup
[1:42
PM] Mr. Blue:
I'm
guessing it was a hairy African tribe that was either wiped out by or
assimilated with the non-hairy folks
Kinda
like the Ainu in Japan
[1:45
PM] Mr. Brown.:
Pygmies assimilated...became taller
[1:45
PM]
Which
they, in fact, do.
[1:46
PM] Mr. Blue:
"whom
our interpreters" sounds like they had other Africans along the
voyage.
They
had a name for 'em so they must've been human-ish
"Then
we encountered a tribe of people that traveled in a large herd. They
were black and white striped with hooves. Our interpreter called
them z'bre'uh."
Just
wouldn't happen.
[1:53
PM]
(Interpreter
in feathers and bones) "What does gorilla mean?
Hmm...how does one explain to simple folk such as you? I suppose
words like Primate and Great Ape would be lost on the uneducated.
Well...the characteristics include the following..."
(Carthage
man hears) "Big hairy people in woods"
[1:56
PM] Mr. Brown.:
So
if I'm understanding this right, somebody made claims of a gorilla
people that could have actually been a people and not gorillas
[1:56
PM]
Yes
[1:57
PM] Mr. Blue:
They
made claims of a savage group of people that were covered in hair and
they called them gorillae.
And
this is where the current name for gorillas came from years later
[1:57
PM]
Much
as the Crow native Americans didn't really look much like crows.
[2:01
PM] Mr. Brown.:
The
Carthaginians account is interesting - the whole trading thing
Leave
product
Natives
come out, set down gold
Check
the gold...not enough go back to boat
Natives
come out, leave more
[2:13
PM] Mr. Blue:
where's
this from?
[2:13
PM] Mr. Brown.:
Herodotus's
account
[2:13
PM]
The Gorillas weren't good dealmakers. They were reduced to living in the
jungle and eating roots.
[2:14
PM] Mr. Blue:
lol
The
description in that article is way worse
In
its inmost recess was an island similar to that formerly described,
which contained in like manner a lake with another island, inhabited
by a rude description of people. The females were much more numerous
than the males, and had rough skins: our interpreters called them
Gorillae. We pursued but could take none of the males; they all
escaped to the top of precipices, which they mounted with ease, and
threw down stones; we took three of the females, but they made such
violent struggles, biting and tearing their captors, that we killed
them, and stripped off the skins, which we carried to Carthage: being
out of provisions we could go no further.
Killed
them and stripped off the skins?
For
sure not the ape gorilla, because there's no way the males would run
and no way they could hold the females.
[2:42
PM]
How strong is
an adult gorilla? When compared to humans, gorillas are four to nine
times stronger than the average man. According to the Guiness Book of
Records, a silverback gorilla can lift up to 815 kilograms (1800
pounds) of deadweight.
These
are females though. They're about half the weight and around 4'
tall.
4'1"
to 4'11" is not “around 4' tall”
[2:45
PM] Mr. Blue:
And
humans were smaller then. The Carthaginians were manlets like
everyone else
probably
5'4" 140
[10:02
AM]
Montalbán
said in promotional interviews for the film he realized early on in
his career that a good villain does not see himself as
villainous.[23] The villain may do villainous things, but he
feels that he is doing them for righteous reasons. Montalbán further
stated he always tried to find a flaw in the character, as no one is
completely good or completely evil; while Khan had a rather distorted
view of reality and therefore performed acts of evil, he still felt
that his vengeance was a noble cause because of the death of his wife
[10:04
AM] Mr. Blue:
Also
the way they made him so blinded by revenge he can't tell when he's
actually won was good
Khan's
awareness of his own superiority is often his undoing
[10:06
AM]
Nod
[10:06
AM] Mr. Brown.:
Dude,
you got the guy you wanted.
Yes,
but I must make him suffer
[10:07
AM] Mr. Blue:
And
who wouldn't want that if they indirectly killed your wife?
[10:07
AM]
Moby
Dick quotes were appropriate in this case...
And
got everyone killed
[10:08
AM] Mr. Blue:
The
first battle where the ship Khan took over (forget what it was
called) was just approaching through space while also preparing to
attack was badass
[10:08
AM]
“Reliant”
What,
the "Let them eat static. We're all one big happy
Federation."
[10:09
AM] Mr. Blue:
yes
[10:09
AM]
Part
of the reason all that was so friggin awesome was because it was the
first time anyone had seen anything like it.
Star
Wars liked blowing stuff up, but holy crap
Trek
is more a naval epic born out of the age of sail with exploration.
[10:10
AM] Mr. Brown.:
Que
“Faith of the Heart”
hehe
[10:11
AM]
The
show couldn't do scenes like that, and though there were pirate
movies, no one had done it with advanced technology that I'm aware
of.
Even
the first one - despite budget - basically had ships just disappear
when V'Ger hit them. I can't recall if I saw 2 in the
theater...but I can just picture all the fan boys gasping at the
first huge hit on the Enterprise.
Still
great too
None
of the easy "Damage reports from decks blah blah" from the
TV show either
Nope.
Glowing
scars and looking at a nasty readout and "they knew exactly
where to hit us"
And
then Khan had to be Khan about it...hehe
Nice
thing about that line though...it was the lead into the
counter-attack
“You
have to learn why things work on a starship”
Khan
figured out how to cripple them. He didn't know anything about
the security back doors
That
lack of knowledge and experience came back too
He
didn't know “Starfleet cant” if communications were compromised.
He
didn't know how to maneuver in 3D space.
He
didn't know how to navigate without instruments
He
didn't know how to track a target
Experienced
officers tricked him right into a position with all his advantages
gone.
[11:18
AM] Mr. Blue:
An
interesting alternate story would be to see what Khan and his clan
would be up to if the planet wasn't knocked out of orbit
A
bunch of hyper intelligent people starting from scratch
[11:19
AM] Mr. Brown.:
“Star
Trek: The Chronicles of Khan”
[11:19
AM]
I'd watch it.
[2:02
PM] Mr. Blue:
This
rep talks like Dracula
You
had her Mr. Brown.
[2:05
PM] Mr. Brown.:
haha
[2:06
PM] Mr. Blue:
I'm
uh trYING to CHECK my VOICEmayoull-uh
[2:15
PM]
Is
it a nice deep voice too?
[2:15
PM] Mr. Blue:
no
[2:15
PM] Mr. Brown.:
She
does notty under standy
[2:16
PM]
"Thee
voyz-MAIL iz thee LIVfe"
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